[Info-vax] EU will abandon daylight savings time in 2021

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 4/6/19 1:43 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/5/2019 8:15 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 4/5/19 2:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2019 12:49 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/19 11:48 AM, Baldrick wrote:
>>>>> Didn't the US adopt different dates for "energy saving"? Is that 
>>>>> ruled out now with better efficiency LED lights? Europe effectively 
>>>>> banned incandescent lighting.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard this before.  Supposedly the idea started with
>>>> Ben Franklin to conserve on candle use.  Then in more modern
>>>> times to conserve energy.  In both cases it really doesn't
>>>> make any sense at all.  Who in Ben Franklin's day or ours
>>>> today does not start their day before the sun comes up and
>>>> not end it till long after the sun has gone down.  All DST
>>>> has ever done is shift the daylight period in regards the
>>>> wall clock.  It has never provided more daylight and thus
>>>> a savings of whatever means was used to generate artificial
>>>> light.  I'm retired and I still rise before the sun and go
>>>> to bed long after the sun has departed.
>>>
>>> Sunrise and sunset depends on location and time of year.
>>
>> Quite true.
>>
>>> If we pick a random location like Pennsylvania USA then
>>> at midsummer the sun raises around 5:30 with DST and 4:30
>>> without DST. I suspect there are people in Pennsylvania that
>>> get up later than that.
>>
>> According to the website I just checked sunrise in PA on the
>> longest day of the years is 5:40.
> 
> OK 5:40. Without DST that would be 4:40.


No, it's 5:40 and with DST it's 6:40.

And my wife leaves for work at 6:15.  She is usually up just
after 5:00.


> 
> I am sure people in Pennsylvania are hardworking, but I still
> believe some will get up later than 4:40.
> 
>>                                        Of course, that assumes
>> you can see the horizon.  NEPA where I live is very mountainous
>> and it can easily be an our or more later before the sun actually
>> clears the local horizon.
> 



Why the smiley?  I'm quite serious.  It is still dark enough
to require artificial light as late as 7:00 and on cloudy days
even 8:00.

Other than retirees in Florida who get up at 9:00 or 10:00 and
go to bed at 8:00 in the evening, most people in the modern
world use artificial light both when the get up and before they
go to bed.  Shifting the clock an hour doesn't fix this. And,
by design, it adds that hour of darkness to the morning when
people usually get up earlier because they have to get ready
for work.  With the intent of providing an extra hour of
daylight for after they finish work.

At the start of DST here there are only 12 hours of daylight
and at the end of DST here there only 11 hours of daylight.
I know of no working person who's active day would fall in
that short a period.

Any way you try to look at it DST actually serves no practical
purpose.

bill