[Info-vax] OpenSSL CSWS-2.2-1

[Dave Froble]

On 4/7/2019 7:58 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 4/7/19 2:54 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 4/7/2019 10:21 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> When the recent discussion about Intersystems was going
>>> on I saw it again.  There is a very finite expense in
>>> VARs moving to the new version of VMS.  Both on the
>>> current architecture and on the future new architecture.
>>> One must buy new equipment to develop, test and maintain
>>> the product on the new architecture.  One must buy the
>>> new version of the OS and the necessary licenses to use
>>> it.  And one must weigh that cost against expected revenues.
>>> When one was already considering dropping support it can
>>> become very hard to justify the needed expense when one
>>> has other platforms that more than supply the revenue
>>> to keep the company successful.
>>
>> They don't need to buy new x86-64 HW - they can run it on VM's.
>
> And those are free?

Nothing is free.  TANSTAAFL ...

But, if you'e going to run some stuff on some system, then isn't the 
cost going to be there, regardless of what system?

Stop expounding a double standard ...

>> And I expect that VSI offer ISV's (I assume you mean ISV's not VAR's)
>> licenses for free or very little.
>
> I certainly have n ot heard of anyone getting free licenses.  Anybody
> want to confirm that?  Very little is a subjective term.  How much
> "very little" actually is may depend on which side of the fence you
> are standing.

Here you go ...

OpenVMS V8.4-2L1  on node AS800    7-APR-2019 21:23:51.78   Uptime  66 
06:13:48

Courtesy of a VSI developer's license.

Confirmed now?

Oh, yeah, and I have VMS V8.4 2L2 for my EV6 systems, though not using 
them at this time.

I will admit it would be nice to have the new TCP/IP to learn from, but, 
I can be patient.

>> So the cost is the effort to port and test. Which obviously
>> can be substantial.
>
> And maintain after you have ported and tested.

Again, tell me how that would differ in any other environment?  It's a 
wash.  W A S H !!!

Actually, if one is on VMS, then any change to anything else will be 
more expensive.  Sometimes too expensive to survive.

>
>>
>>> Sadly, I think this forced change may be more detrimental
>>> to the continued success of VMS than people either expect
>>> or want.
>>
>> The move from Itanium to x86-64 will certainly hurt VMS short term.
>>
>> But given that Itanium is dead then either VMS move or VMS is dead. It
>> was not a real choice.
>>
>> And long term being on a standard HW platform may turn out to be a good
>> thing.
>
> Yes, it may.  And believe it or not, I would like to see that happen.
> But some people really need to look at this from the point of view
> of the outside world.  It is not as rosy as many want to see it.

If the outside world has vision problems, that is an issue, and one 
"they" will suffer from.  Or, they can have an ounce of sense.

One thing is clear, and if you do not agree, then you're fooling 
yourself, or just being difficult.

It is always easier and cheaper to remain with what works and is in hand 
than to convert to something else, all else being equal.  With VMS on 
x86 and VMs, it seems all else will be at least equal.

Now, are you done crying "Wolf!"

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