[Info-vax] VAXStation 3100

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 1/18/19 6:06 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 1/18/2019 2:24 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 1/18/19 12:26 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>> On 1/18/2019 9:28 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 1/18/19 12:56 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote:
>>>>> On 1/17/2019 3:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick update being as I'm the guy who started this thread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Turns out I have 7.3 CD's (not sure about layered products,
>>>>>> I have 1 CD labeled that but I know they can't be on 1 CD!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, in this case "Layered Products" means things like DECram, DWMotif,
>>>>> Pathworks, etc.  Not BASIC, COBOL, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I suspected as much when I mounted the CD and looked at it.
>>>> But I do have a set of LP CD's dated 2004 which are probably
>>>> what I need.  No index, however, so finding what i want (and
>>>> have a license for) is going to be a chore.  These did not
>>>> come in the usual packaging which had a paper list of what
>>>> was there and what disk it was on.
>>>
>>> If you have a set of "Consolidated Distribution" disks, the "list" is
>>> on every disk.
>>
>> I will have t o mount one and take a look.  In the past I
>> was used to using the paper list.  Highlight what I was
>> interested in and only play with those CD's.
>>
>>>
>>>>>> Install went easy.  I am using a 1GB Fujitsu drive.  And,
>>>>>> I will likely take a look at net booting and running it
>>>>>> diskless.  This is my M76, my most powerful one.  On
>>>>>> another note, I tried the Infoserver.  Nothing on the
>>>>>> hard disk.  There were two CD's inside the case, one with
>>>>>> what looks like a key written on the envelope.  That looks
>>>>>> like it should boot, but it never goes beyond the start
>>>>>> of the process and then periodic access to the disk.  The
>>>>>> other says not bootable right off the bat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I have heard that the Infoserver software is on the
>>>>>> Freeware CD.  Is this true?  If so, what do I do with
>>>>>> it if I can't even boot the machine?  Can I put it on
>>>>>> my mop server and remote boot the Infoserver to install
>>>>>> a system on it?
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's in an ISO type format you might be able to write it to a CD
>>>>> and boot the Infoserver from it.I looked at it once but that was long
>>>>> ago.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they are .img files.  Not sure what that means but
>>>> Brasero on Linux happily wrote it to a CD. Didn't boot
>>>> though.  Not sure where to go from  here with that but
>>>> it isn't stopping my program, just slowing it down.
>>>>
>>>> I have DECNET running.  I have LAT running on two of my
>>>> Unix boxes and somehow they advertise their availability.
>>>> How can I get VMS to do that?  I tried moving my PAKs
>>>> over OPA0: but that was a dismal failure.  Overrun after
>>>> no more than 2 lines.  Wold like to just use DECNET to
>>>> move them and then get on from there but I can't figure
>>>> out how to let the other boxes know the VMS systems is
>>>> there.
>>>
>>> Where do you currently have the PAKs?
>>
>> On other machines like where I get m y email and where I am
>> running my terminal emulator.
> 
> If I had no other option, I'd bring up the data (text) in a window, such 
> as Notepad, cut, paste into a VMS session with EDT running, and when 
> ready just exit EDT, thus having the text on the VMS system.

Tried the old cut&paste.  I get no more than 2 1/2 lines before
I start getting data overruns.  At that rate I might just as
well hand type the whole file in (and that is not going to happen!!)
It's going to be DECNET, TCPIP or Kermit first.

> 
>>> While DECnet can be very useful, it's not so much with other than VMS
>>> systems.  You should get TCP/IP running, and then it's as simple as
>>> using FTP.
>>
>> Probably true, but I  have DECNET running and other machines
>> also have DECNET running and can talk with each other but
>> none of them can see the VMS machine.  I was hoping it was
>> a simple command that would cause it to do whatever the
>> others are doing (from a protocol standpoint) and become
>> publicly visible.
> 
> I'm not sure what you are looking for, "publicly visible".

% llogin -d
MINECRAFT                   Available    Linux 4.15.0-43-generic
SPARKY                      Available    FreeBSD 10.1-RELEASE

% llogin MINECRAFT
Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS
MineCraft login: bill
Password:
Last login: Wed Jan 16 10:02:14 EST 2019 on pts/6
Welcome to Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 4.15.0-43-generic x86_64)

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> 
> To know about other DECnet nodes, one would use NCP and set them up as 
> "known nodes".

As I said, these appear to broadcast their presence but VMS neither
sends or listens for these broadcasts as far as I can tell.

> 
> To access other nodes over DECnet one might set up proxys in the 
> AUTHORIZE program.
> 

Just seems odd that the packet type exists but VMS doesn't
use it.  Unless it used to bu now, for security reasons, it
no longer does.

bill