[Info-vax] Java on VMS, was: Re: So is there still a hobbyist program or not

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 7/22/19 7:31 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/22/2019 12:33 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 7/21/19 9:35 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 7/21/2019 9:31 PM, Richard Maher wrote:
>>>> On 21/07/2019 10:44 pm, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> A quick search at dice.com (big US job site) shows:
>>>>>
>>>>> Java        14767
>>>>> JavaScript  11907 (node.js 863)
>>>>> C#           6273
>>>>> Python       5824
>>>>> C++          5151
>>>>> C            5117
>>>>> Ruby          993
>>>>> PHP           938
>>>>> Scala         433
>>>>> VB            334
>>>>> Cobol         228
>>>>> Kotlin        135
>>>>> Groovy         89
>>>>> Fortran        34
>>>>> Delphi         33
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> let me guess; a search for "java" also returns "javascript"?
>>>
>>> It does not seem so.
>>>
>>> It also does not seem that the 5117 C include the 5151 C++.
>>
>> And, of course, none of these include the serious employers
>> who don't use dice, monster, indeed, etc. to do their hiring.
> 
> Maybe not.
> 
> But they do have jobs from big IT companies (IBM, Oracle, Microsoft,
> HP, SAP, Redhat), 

Only one of these is likely to use COBOL.  I doubt more than one
uses Fortran.

>                   big financial companies (Citibank, JP Morgan,
> Bank of America, Goldman Sachs), 

All of whom use COBOL.

>                                     big telcos (Verizon, AT&T,
> Comcast, Sprint) etc..

Nope, no COBOL or Fortran there.

But places like Lockheed-Martin, the US Government, Raytheon,
GDIT, Boeing, etc. all do.  And do not use any of those web
job sites for hiring. (I haven't looked in quite some time
but Lockheed-Martin used to actually have a statement on their
Careers page stating if you were applying thru one of these
sites your resume would not even be looked at.)

> 
> Whether these employers are "serious" in your book I don't
> know.

I just know some of the largest IT employers in the world do not
use those sites.  I also know that they all have the same jobs
listed for a reason.  Companies aren't putting jobs there for
people to apply to.  They are scraping the web and listing anything
they find that they think is a vacancy announcement.  I can
easily provide examples of sites they wold fiond and list that
are not looking for the skills listed.  The announcements are
100% boilerplate.  They are looking for PC monkeys even though
they list Ada, Pascal, Fortran, COBOL, Java and a pile of other
languages as desired skills.  The generic vacancy announcement
hasn't changed in over 10 years.

> 
> But they sure employ a lot of people.

Sure, but for some of those skills they have internal methods
of hiring that won;'t be reflected there.  Private Job Fairs.
Company HR Chat Sessions.  Their own internal hiring system.

Statistically, the above data is pretty much worthless.  well,
except to middle management types, I guess.  I knew at least
one college professor who took it as gospel, much to the
detriment of his students careers.  I used to enjoy pointing
them at jobs he claimed were non-existent.

bill