[Info-vax] Windows terminal revamped and open sourced

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2019-06-17 kl. 19:38, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2019-06-17, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>> On 6/17/2019 9:34 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 14:57, skrev Bob Koehler:
>>>> In article <qe4unb$qcn$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>>> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> An old hardware terminal such as the VT-line are today always
>>>>> a worse solution than an termninal amulator running on your
>>>>> everyday computer client you are using for anything else.
>>>>> No matter if it is Windows, Linux oc Mac, they all have
>>>>> emulators that are much better to work with than an VT520.
>>>>
>>>>      Except that the keyboard is wrong.  And often the emulation is wrong.
>>>>> Yes, VT-terminals are can be fun from an historical point of
>>>>> view. But there is no reason to use them for real work.
>>>>
>>>>      Except that they work correctly, and have a correct keyboard.
>>>>
> 
> Define "correct keyboard". I last used a DEC keyboard over 15 years ago
> but use the EDT keypad layout on a daily basis. Works just fine for me.
> 

Exactly.

>>>
>>> Those like you are the ones pushing VMS over the edge...
>>
>> Over the edge?  What edge?
>>
> 
> I'm not sure but I think Jan-Erik may be referring to the attitude of
> "it's always been that way in the past, so there's no reason why it
> can't be that way in the future." Those are the people who refuse to
> adapt (or are incapable of adapting) to a new way of doing things
> even with the changes going on around them.

Right! We must all help to get OpenVMS included in whatever computing
environments are used *today*. Including keyboards, emulators and so on.

Another group that are pushing OpenVMS "over the edge" are those that
deliberately are misspelling “Windows” all the time. It is not fun,it is not
professional, it is just childish. Dinosaurs…








> 
> If I couldn't use the EDT keypad in the future for some reason, I would
> just learn new keystrokes, but some people don't seem to be even able
> to adapt to slightly different keyboard layouts.
> 
>>
>> Terminals vs terminal emulators.  Hmmm ....
>>
>> You seem to favor emulators, but, your customers have real CPUs, not
>> emulators.  Why is a real terminal so bad, but a real CPU is Ok?
>>
> 
> What makes you think they have "real" CPUs ? :-)
> 
> A good number of people appear to be using emulated VAX or Alpha
> systems running on x86 hardware.
> 
>> Tolerance is a good thing.
>>
>> Well, sometimes.  Don't get me started on junk PC keyboards, my
>> tolerance for them is little to none.
>>
> 
> Get a decent keyboard. :-) There are some good PC keyboards out there.
> 
> Simon.
>