[Info-vax] Windows terminal revamped and open sourced

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2019-06-18 kl. 01:21, skrev VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG:
> In article <qe8qfv$f9q$1 at dont-email.me>, =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com> writes:
>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 19:38, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>> On 2019-06-17, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2019 9:34 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 14:57, skrev Bob Koehler:
>>>>>> In article <qe4unb$qcn$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An old hardware terminal such as the VT-line are today always
>>>>>>> a worse solution than an termninal amulator running on your
>>>>>>> everyday computer client you are using for anything else.
>>>>>>> No matter if it is Windows, Linux oc Mac, they all have
>>>>>>> emulators that are much better to work with than an VT520.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Except that the keyboard is wrong.  And often the emulation is wrong.
>>>>>>> Yes, VT-terminals are can be fun from an historical point of
>>>>>>> view. But there is no reason to use them for real work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Except that they work correctly, and have a correct keyboard.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> Define "correct keyboard". I last used a DEC keyboard over 15 years ago
>>> but use the EDT keypad layout on a daily basis. Works just fine for me.
>>>
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Those like you are the ones pushing VMS over the edge...
>>>>
>>>> Over the edge?  What edge?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not sure but I think Jan-Erik may be referring to the attitude of
>>> "it's always been that way in the past, so there's no reason why it
>>> can't be that way in the future." Those are the people who refuse to
>>> adapt (or are incapable of adapting) to a new way of doing things
>>> even with the changes going on around them.
>>
>> Right! We must all help to get OpenVMS included in whatever computing
>> environments are used *today*. Including keyboards, emulators and so on.
>>
>> Another group that are pushing OpenVMS "over the edge" are those that
>> deliberately are misspelling “Windows” all the time. It is not fun,it is not
>> professional, it is just childish. Dinosaurs…
> 
> WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!>
> 
> Get over yourself Jan.  It's a PoS and that;s not Personal Operating system.
> 
> As you may or may not know, my passion is to fly high power rockets.  Thanks
> to the electronics miniaturization revolution/evolution, my rockets fly with
> extensive on-board electronics.  One of the flight computers/altimeters that
> I own only has a WEENDOZE interface for downloading its flight data.  I have
> numerous altimeters which work with Mac OSX, Linux and WEENDOZE but only this
> one that is WEENDOZE only.  I have to fight with fucking WEENDOZE every time
> I plug the altimeter in to USB.  It appears;  it disappears;  it appears;  it
> disappears;  lather, rinse, repeat.  I hate the fucking thing!  If I plug it
> into Mac OSX or Linux, I can see the device without any issue.  Sadly, there
> is no download software.  The manufacturer my checked the unit repeatedly and
> flashed its firmware with new code.  This altimeter functions very well.  In
> fact, it is *THE* MOST reliable unit I have flown but its download software's
> ties to/on shitty WEENDOZE is why I will never ever buy another.  Could you
> imagine the public's outrage if their mobiles connected to wireless service
> and then, at a whim and repeatedly, disconnected and then reconnected, lather,
> rinse, repeat, vis a vis PoS WEENDOZE???
> 
> I'll continue to malign WEENDOZE for the PoS it is until it exists no more.
> 
> Thank you.
> 

Fine. And you'll continue to be a clown. You might know the internals
of VMS very well, but it doesn't matter much today...