[Info-vax] Windows terminal revamped and open sourced

[Richard Maher]

On 18/06/2019 11:41 am, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 6/17/2019 8:22 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2019-06-18 kl. 01:21, skrev VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG:
>>> In article <qe8qfv$f9q$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>> writes:
>>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 19:38, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>>>> On 2019-06-17, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/17/2019 9:34 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>>>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 14:57, skrev Bob Koehler:
>>>>>>>> In article <qe4unb$qcn$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An old hardware terminal such as the VT-line are today always
>>>>>>>>> a worse solution than an termninal amulator running on your
>>>>>>>>> everyday computer client you are using for anything else.
>>>>>>>>> No matter if it is Windows, Linux oc Mac, they all have
>>>>>>>>> emulators that are much better to work with than an VT520.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Except that the keyboard is wrong.  And often the emulation
>>>>>>>> is wrong.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, VT-terminals are can be fun from an historical point of
>>>>>>>>> view. But there is no reason to use them for real work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Except that they work correctly, and have a correct keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "correct keyboard". I last used a DEC keyboard over 15 years 
>>>>> ago
>>>>> but use the EDT keypad layout on a daily basis. Works just fine for 
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those like you are the ones pushing VMS over the edge...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the edge?  What edge?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure but I think Jan-Erik may be referring to the attitude of
>>>>> "it's always been that way in the past, so there's no reason why it
>>>>> can't be that way in the future." Those are the people who refuse to
>>>>> adapt (or are incapable of adapting) to a new way of doing things
>>>>> even with the changes going on around them.
>>>>
>>>> Right! We must all help to get OpenVMS included in whatever computing
>>>> environments are used *today*. Including keyboards, emulators and so 
>>>> on.
>>>>
>>>> Another group that are pushing OpenVMS "over the edge" are those that
>>>> deliberately are misspelling “Windows” all the time. It is not fun,it
>>>> is not
>>>> professional, it is just childish. Dinosaurs…
>>>
>>> WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!>
>>>
>>> Get over yourself Jan.  It's a PoS and that;s not Personal Operating
>>> system.
>>>
>>> As you may or may not know, my passion is to fly high power rockets.
>>> Thanks
>>> to the electronics miniaturization revolution/evolution, my rockets
>>> fly with
>>> extensive on-board electronics.  One of the flight
>>> computers/altimeters that
>>> I own only has a WEENDOZE interface for downloading its flight data.
>>> I have
>>> numerous altimeters which work with Mac OSX, Linux and WEENDOZE but
>>> only this
>>> one that is WEENDOZE only.  I have to fight with fucking WEENDOZE
>>> every time
>>> I plug the altimeter in to USB.  It appears;  it disappears;  it
>>> appears;  it
>>> disappears;  lather, rinse, repeat.  I hate the fucking thing!  If I
>>> plug it
>>> into Mac OSX or Linux, I can see the device without any issue.  Sadly,
>>> there
>>> is no download software.  The manufacturer my checked the unit
>>> repeatedly and
>>> flashed its firmware with new code.  This altimeter functions very
>>> well.  In
>>> fact, it is *THE* MOST reliable unit I have flown but its download
>>> software's
>>> ties to/on shitty WEENDOZE is why I will never ever buy another.
>>> Could you
>>> imagine the public's outrage if their mobiles connected to wireless
>>> service
>>> and then, at a whim and repeatedly, disconnected and then reconnected,
>>> lather,
>>> rinse, repeat, vis a vis PoS WEENDOZE???
>>>
>>> I'll continue to malign WEENDOZE for the PoS it is until it exists no
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> Fine. And you'll continue to be a clown. You might know the internals
>> of VMS very well, but it doesn't matter much today...
>>
>>
> 
> Actually Brian, WEENDOZE usually works decently.  My biggest beef is the 
> constantly changing user interface, and Microsoft trying to stop me from 
> doing what I want to do.  Oh, and most of all, that damn registry.

Not sure what you're doing in the registry but I agree the constant 
changing is tiresome. Look, I know .NET Core is a good thing (like VMS 
desired-state images will be) but it's strange to think about life 
without a web.config.

As dyed in the wool VMSer I have always been I long for the day that 
.NET runs on VMS!