[Info-vax] Windows terminal revamped and open sourced

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In article <qe9mhm$tej$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>On 6/17/2019 8:22 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2019-06-18 kl. 01:21, skrev VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG:
>>> In article <qe8qfv$f9q$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>> writes:
>>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 19:38, skrev Simon Clubley:
>>>>> On 2019-06-17, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/17/2019 9:34 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>>>>>> Den 2019-06-17 kl. 14:57, skrev Bob Koehler:
>>>>>>>> In article <qe4unb$qcn$1 at dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> =?UTF-8?Q?Jan-Erik_S=c3=b6derholm?= <jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com>
>>>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An old hardware terminal such as the VT-line are today always
>>>>>>>>> a worse solution than an termninal amulator running on your
>>>>>>>>> everyday computer client you are using for anything else.
>>>>>>>>> No matter if it is Windows, Linux oc Mac, they all have
>>>>>>>>> emulators that are much better to work with than an VT520.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Except that the keyboard is wrong.  And often the emulation
>>>>>>>> is wrong.
>>>>>>>>> Yes, VT-terminals are can be fun from an historical point of
>>>>>>>>> view. But there is no reason to use them for real work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Except that they work correctly, and have a correct keyboard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "correct keyboard". I last used a DEC keyboard over 15 years ago
>>>>> but use the EDT keypad layout on a daily basis. Works just fine for me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those like you are the ones pushing VMS over the edge...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the edge?  What edge?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure but I think Jan-Erik may be referring to the attitude of
>>>>> "it's always been that way in the past, so there's no reason why it
>>>>> can't be that way in the future." Those are the people who refuse to
>>>>> adapt (or are incapable of adapting) to a new way of doing things
>>>>> even with the changes going on around them.
>>>>
>>>> Right! We must all help to get OpenVMS included in whatever computing
>>>> environments are used *today*. Including keyboards, emulators and so on.
>>>>
>>>> Another group that are pushing OpenVMS "over the edge" are those that
>>>> deliberately are misspelling “Windows” all the time. It is not fun,it
>>>> is not
>>>> professional, it is just childish. Dinosaurs…
>>>
>>> WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!  WEENDOZE!>
>>>
>>> Get over yourself Jan.  It's a PoS and that;s not Personal Operating
>>> system.
>>>
>>> As you may or may not know, my passion is to fly high power rockets.
>>> Thanks
>>> to the electronics miniaturization revolution/evolution, my rockets
>>> fly with
>>> extensive on-board electronics.  One of the flight
>>> computers/altimeters that
>>> I own only has a WEENDOZE interface for downloading its flight data.
>>> I have
>>> numerous altimeters which work with Mac OSX, Linux and WEENDOZE but
>>> only this
>>> one that is WEENDOZE only.  I have to fight with fucking WEENDOZE
>>> every time
>>> I plug the altimeter in to USB.  It appears;  it disappears;  it
>>> appears;  it
>>> disappears;  lather, rinse, repeat.  I hate the fucking thing!  If I
>>> plug it
>>> into Mac OSX or Linux, I can see the device without any issue.  Sadly,
>>> there
>>> is no download software.  The manufacturer my checked the unit
>>> repeatedly and
>>> flashed its firmware with new code.  This altimeter functions very
>>> well.  In
>>> fact, it is *THE* MOST reliable unit I have flown but its download
>>> software's
>>> ties to/on shitty WEENDOZE is why I will never ever buy another.
>>> Could you
>>> imagine the public's outrage if their mobiles connected to wireless
>>> service
>>> and then, at a whim and repeatedly, disconnected and then reconnected,
>>> lather,
>>> rinse, repeat, vis a vis PoS WEENDOZE???
>>>
>>> I'll continue to malign WEENDOZE for the PoS it is until it exists no
>>> more.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>
>> Fine. And you'll continue to be a clown. You might know the internals
>> of VMS very well, but it doesn't matter much today...
>>
>>
>
>Actually Brian, WEENDOZE usually works decently.  My biggest beef is the 
>constantly changing user interface, and Microsoft trying to stop me from 
>doing what I want to do.  Oh, and most of all, that damn registry.
>
>I'd suspect the device mfg.  If all they provide is a WEENDOZE 
>interface, then I'm guessing they really aren't very good producing the 
>interface software, and might have contracted it out.  Or cut-n-paste 
>from something else.  People that know there devices usually do better.

The problem is in WEENDOZE.  The USB is an FTDI chip.  When I plug in the
altimeter, WEENDOZE proclaims a new device.  Then, WEENDOZE claims that 
it's gone.  Then, it proclaims a new device.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  All
of this is before ever launching the software to download any data.

I can plug the same altimeter into my Mac, my linux systems and even my
Itanium, and see the USB.  It's pretty simple being that the FTDI chip is
for RS232.  The only thing I do not know is its communication protocol/-
handshake to download the data.

Another altimeter company provides WEENDOZE and Mac OSX software for its
altimeter interface to download flight data.  I asked of its manufacturer
and I received a Linux version too; albeit, the manufacturer won't support
it.  

These altimeters are fairly complex devices that use both barometric and
acceleromeric sensors to control and record flight.  Flying high power
can easily break Mach, so there's complex aerodynamics that need to also
be considered.  Therefore, I do NOT believe these issues are the flight
computer. ;)  I've had myriad successful miles high flights using this
one altimeter.  It's sad that I can't access its recorded flight data,
so I fly an additional recording-only altimeter.  The latter unit uses
bluetooth, so I can even download its data to my Android tablet.  

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