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[Dave Froble]

On 10/28/2019 10:03 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
> Bill Gunshannon  <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 10/26/19 10:16 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>> Bill Gunshannon  <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 10/25/19 10:09 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to a small airport.  You won't see any (or very few) young people
>>>>> there.  Just a bunch of old geezers.  Airlines are now considering
>>>>> training new pilots.  They cannot find people who are already pilots.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, that isn't the problem you perceive.  They are having
>>>> great success raiding the Air Force and Army (and probably the
>>>> Navy and marines but I have no data on them) for pilots.  Even
>>>> holding hiring events right on the military bases themselves.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately what they are paying is ludicrously low.  Start flying for
>>> Mesa or one of the regional lines and you're paid less than an antry level
>>> Greyhound bus driver.
>>
>> Yes, but is it more than the military pays?  :-)
>
> It is WAY less than a lieutenant gets and there is no flight pay.  However,
> you don't get shot at and you don't have to shoot at other people which is
> a huge plus to my mind.
>
>>> If you're retired military you can live off that, and have the hopes of
>>> moving up to a union position with decent pay and benefits.  If you are a
>>> kid having to pay off the cost of getting an ATP, forget it.
>>
>> It's not retirees they are chasing.  It is current active duty pilots
>> who have met their commitment and are free to resign from the military
>> any time they want.  Recent changes in military benefits are probably
>> not helping retain them.
>
> The people chasing those folks aren't the airlines, they are charter outfits
> flying private jets and the larger cargo outfits.  FedEx is going really far
> to hire those people.  FedEx plays WAY better the regional airlines but they
> are also hiring skilled people.  The hours are bad, but they are consistent
> and you get to sleep in your own bed (even if it's in the day rather than the
> night).
>
>>> It's more profitable to fly cargo around, and the cargo doesn't get drunk.
>>>
>>> If airlines paid a living wage for starting pilots, they would have a much
>>> easier time getting them.
>>
>> I think they have tapped into a very good supply.
>
> I dunno, I am kind of terrified seeing the people coming out of the
> "student pilot to ATP in six months" schools.  And there are a lot of
> them in the air today.
> --scott
>

Yeah, and it's the schools that are at fault.  Or maybe the FAA.

As part of pilot training, the students should at some time get some 
time doing aerobatics.  Stalls, spins, and more.  It will insure that 
the students will have half a clue when it happens.  And it's "fun".

It could be done in that six months.  But airlines and such stress using 
the autopilot and such whenever possible.  That sure doesn't prepare 
pilots for when shit happens.

A 1000 hour pilot, with 950 hours watching the autopilot, is not what 
I'd call a pilot.  Straight and level flight teaches nothing.

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