[Info-vax] VSI software

[Phillip Helbig undress to reply]

In article <rgkdi9$m30$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
<davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes: 

> >>>>>> However, if VSI wants VMS cluster to be used, they need to shove
> >>>>>> it in
> >>>>>> front of as many faces as possible.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Different strokes for different folks, but my guess is that a very
> >>>>> large
> >>>>> majority of paying customers (presumably those with most influence on
> >>>>> VSI) use clusters.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Not allowing users of the CL to
> >>>>>> discover the advantages of VMS cluster
> >>>>>> (assuming there are advantages)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Of course there are advantages.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Similar remarks reply to Rdb.  I don't know what fraction of VMS users
> >>>>> use it, but I guess that a large majority of VMS revenue comes from
> >>>>> those who use Rdb.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are making wild ass guesses without mentioning any facts to back
> >>>> them up.  Just because you use something does not mean most others
> >>>> do also.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not making things up; it is based on experience.  Yes, I've used
> >>> both clusters and Rdb, but I am not assuming that most people do just
> >>> because of that.  I also didn't say "most people", but rather "most
> >>> revenue".
> >>>
> >>> If you disagree, do you have any evidence that I am wrong?
> >>
> >> No more than you do.
> >>
> >
> > I would think he have. Philip works within a major VMS/Rdb player
> > in Germany, as as such one do get insight through techical update
> > days both around VMS and Rdb (VMS owners and Oracle usually have
> > points in the agendas of each other). You can see from the attendant
> > lists that VMS users and Rdb users to a large degree matches.
> > At least amongs those that attends the technical update days.
> >
> > As you use to say, David, you do not get out much, so I would not
> > count what you think in *this* area higher then Philips experiences.
> 
> I agree, I don't have a clue about percentage of VMS sites using Rdb. 
> But I have a suspicion that neither you nor Phillip ( nor Arne ) have 
> any better clue.  I'd guess VSI does have a clue, and, they aren't 
> telling us.
> 
> What I might object to, sort of, is those who do not have any facts, but 
> due to their own experience, make claims for the entire VMS user base.

How many VMS users use DECnet?  :-D

> > Rdb is a major player in the VMS market place. I'm willing to say
> > that, without Rdb, the x86 port is mostly pointless. The remianing
> > non-Rdb sites is *probably* not enought to support the VSI business.
> >
> > So it is in your own interest, David, no matter if you use Rdb, that
> > Rdb will be available on VMS x86. I'm not concerned, it would surprise
> > me a lot if Oracle is not one of the ISV's running VMS on x86 today.
> 
> Rdb is important to VSI, if only because an Rdb user is locked into VMS.

Most don't mind.  Actually, at some point Rdb ran on WindowsNT. However,
Rdb is very VMS-like, not surprising since it originated at DEC, so it
is natural to combine the two.  So, yes, Rdb users are locked to VMS; so 
are users of AUTHORIZE, SYSMAN, DIRECTORY, and so on.  :-)

> Note that a VMS user is NOT locked into Rdb.

One is free not to use the best product.