[Info-vax] VSI software

[Dave Froble]

On 8/8/2020 6:12 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
> In article <rgkdi9$m30$1 at dont-email.me>, Dave Froble
> <davef at tsoft-inc.com> writes:
>
>>>>>>>> However, if VSI wants VMS cluster to be used, they need to shove
>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>> front of as many faces as possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Different strokes for different folks, but my guess is that a very
>>>>>>> large
>>>>>>> majority of paying customers (presumably those with most influence on
>>>>>>> VSI) use clusters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not allowing users of the CL to
>>>>>>>> discover the advantages of VMS cluster
>>>>>>>> (assuming there are advantages)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course there are advantages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Similar remarks reply to Rdb.  I don't know what fraction of VMS users
>>>>>>> use it, but I guess that a large majority of VMS revenue comes from
>>>>>>> those who use Rdb.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are making wild ass guesses without mentioning any facts to back
>>>>>> them up.  Just because you use something does not mean most others
>>>>>> do also.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not making things up; it is based on experience.  Yes, I've used
>>>>> both clusters and Rdb, but I am not assuming that most people do just
>>>>> because of that.  I also didn't say "most people", but rather "most
>>>>> revenue".
>>>>>
>>>>> If you disagree, do you have any evidence that I am wrong?
>>>>
>>>> No more than you do.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I would think he have. Philip works within a major VMS/Rdb player
>>> in Germany, as as such one do get insight through techical update
>>> days both around VMS and Rdb (VMS owners and Oracle usually have
>>> points in the agendas of each other). You can see from the attendant
>>> lists that VMS users and Rdb users to a large degree matches.
>>> At least amongs those that attends the technical update days.
>>>
>>> As you use to say, David, you do not get out much, so I would not
>>> count what you think in *this* area higher then Philips experiences.
>>
>> I agree, I don't have a clue about percentage of VMS sites using Rdb.
>> But I have a suspicion that neither you nor Phillip ( nor Arne ) have
>> any better clue.  I'd guess VSI does have a clue, and, they aren't
>> telling us.
>>
>> What I might object to, sort of, is those who do not have any facts, but
>> due to their own experience, make claims for the entire VMS user base.
>
> How many VMS users use DECnet?  :-D

I don't know, but obviously VSI does have some knowledge of this, and 
has decided to include it in VMS V9.  Must be a significant number of users.

>>> Rdb is a major player in the VMS market place. I'm willing to say
>>> that, without Rdb, the x86 port is mostly pointless. The remianing
>>> non-Rdb sites is *probably* not enought to support the VSI business.
>>>
>>> So it is in your own interest, David, no matter if you use Rdb, that
>>> Rdb will be available on VMS x86. I'm not concerned, it would surprise
>>> me a lot if Oracle is not one of the ISV's running VMS on x86 today.
>>
>> Rdb is important to VSI, if only because an Rdb user is locked into VMS.
>
> Most don't mind.  Actually, at some point Rdb ran on WindowsNT. However,
> Rdb is very VMS-like, not surprising since it originated at DEC, so it
> is natural to combine the two.  So, yes, Rdb users are locked to VMS; so
> are users of AUTHORIZE, SYSMAN, DIRECTORY, and so on.  :-)

I'm doubting this.  Yes, there were plans for Rdb on WEENDOZE, but I 
don't think it was ever released.  Something about BLISS issues on WEENDOZE.

>> Note that a VMS user is NOT locked into Rdb.
>
> One is free not to use the best product.
>

Another bias?

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