[Info-vax] Open source usage, Was Python and various libraries updated

[Dave Froble]

On 8/10/2020 1:12 PM, gérard Calliet wrote:
> Le 10/08/2020 à 17:25, Arne Vajhøj a écrit :
>> On 8/10/2020 11:09 AM, gérard Calliet wrote:
>>> Le 10/08/2020 à 03:50, Simon Clubley a écrit :
>>>> On 2020-08-08, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> And open source could be used for some of he truly critical
>>>>> stuff. Linux is becoming very common for SCADA today. And
>>>>> they could use GNAT for software development.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That reminded me that VSI hasn't said anything recently about the
>>>> possibility of Ada support coming to x86-64 VMS.
>>
>>> Last meeting (UK users group by zoom). Bret Cameron: we have no plans
>>> on Ada.
>>>
>>> Since 2015 I had to rebuild Gnat Ada for Itanium OpenVMS, I didn't
>>> get any collaboration from VSI (except from individuals).
>>
>> VSI has limited resources. They have to prioritize.
> Agreed. But.

One has to feel that VSI understands their priorities better than anyone 
else.  For example, look at the inclusion of DECnet in x86 VMS.  VSI 
went to their customers, and they listened.

> It's now for more than five years I'm only saying "help us to help you".

Ya know, I really do agree with this concept.  So, what's it take for a 
little bit of help for you?  Then a little bit of help for me? Then a 
little bit of help for *

I do understand their refusal to start down this rather steep slope.  At 
least until the port to x86 is completed.

I offered to provide some help with the lock manager.  But I understand 
their position of "no new anything until it is ported".

Your, and my, help to VSI takes some of their valuable time.  That's the 
reality.

> Ada cannot be a priority. ok. Some invest in Ada for you. Take your
> phone, perhaps for a very low effort something can be done and worth it
> for all.
>
> It's my general opinion on interest of VSI being more fair in the Open
> Source realm. Just do a little bit more to gain trust and help from a
> large enthousiast (and new) community.

See above about "the port isn't everything, it's the only thing".

> The times have changed - it's a pain for us thinking about the huge
> success of internet compared to the Digital decline - and business
> around Open Source paradigm proved it to be very good.

Depends.  For generic stuff, yeah, great.  For specific stuff, no.

> *If* you play the game as it is played by the majority. Is someone using
> now MySql? No. MariaDB. Why? Oracle didn't play the game.
>>
>> People can disagree on how they prioritize, but everybody
>> should be able to agree that they have to prioritize.
>>
>> And I understand why Ada is not a priority. I believe that
>> the Ada approach to safe programming is good. But the world
>> chose a different path many years before VSI was founded.
> Have a look at how Adacore business is good and growing. And  the huge
> role of community in their success. They play the game.

Yet when I look around, no Ada.  Users are not monolithic.  What is good 
for you is not necessarily good for others.  Well, except the port, 
which is essential for everyone.

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