[Info-vax] VAX VMS going forward (VAXELN)

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2020-07-24 kl. 23:07, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:
> Den 2020-07-22 kl. 16:35, skrev Jan-Erik Söderholm:
>> Den 2020-07-22 kl. 15:28, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>> On 7/22/2020 9:02 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2020-07-22, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>>>> On 7/22/2020 8:34 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>> On a more serious note, what I haven't seen discussed is the situation
>>>>>> regarding the VAX Layered Products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you just get a core set of the VAX LP source code, such as some 
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> compilers, or did you get pretty much everything ever produced for VAX
>>>>>> by DEC including products like VAXELN ?
>>>>>
>>>>> When you say VAXELN do you mean the VMS source code for the tools
>>>>> running on VMS generating VAXELN code or do you mean the source code
>>>>> for the VAXELN stuff?
>>>>>
>>>>> (the answer may be the same but it could be different)
>>>>
>>>> For all practical purposes, they are the same thing.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know how much experience you have with embedded systems, but
>>>> with tools like VAXELN, the libraries used to construct the final
>>>> bootable system images ship as part of VAXELN.
>>>>
>>>> You use a VAXELN compiler running on VMS (such as the VAXELN version
>>>> of Pascal) to compile your source code and then you use another VAXELN
>>>> tool, also running on VMS, to generate the final system image that is
>>>> then booted on the target system.
>>>
>>> I know that.
>>>
>>> And the first is obviously useless without the second.
>>>
>>> But while the first is running on VMS then the second is not.
>>>
>>> Which could mean a difference per the contract between HPE and VSI.
>>>
>>> You could argue that if they are treated different in the contract
>>> then it an error in the contract, but I doubt anyone was thinking about
>>> VAXELN when the drafted the contract.
>>>
>>> Arne
>>
>> And what say the sites still using/running VAXELN? A major kitchen
>> applience manufacturer in Sweden had multiple VAXELN system for
>> their assembly lines up to at least 3-4 years ago. Not sure of
>> the actual status today...
>>
>>
> 
> Just got a reply back. That site has 11 VAXELN systems in production.
> Don't know if it is still VAX hardware or if they run on emulation...
> 

These 11 VAXELN systems seems to be mostly VAX 4000-500. No emulators.
Running assembly lines in a factory...