[Info-vax] Suggested DCL enhancement

[Phillip Helbig undress to reply]

In article <rnue8q$1941$1 at gioia.aioe.org>, =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?=
<arne at vajhoej.dk> writes: 

> >> Terminal and command line are not for end users today. Not on
> >> VMS. Not on any other server OS.
> > 
> > That depends on the definition of "end user".  Of course, if "end user"
> > is defined as someone who doesn't use the command line, or excludes
> > developers, then it's a tautology.  There are certainly people (how
> > many, I don't know) who do no system management at all and who are not
> > developers but who work at the command line.
> 
> Traditional division is:
> * system managers - they people taking care of the system
> * developers - the people creating the applications to run on the system
> * end users - the people using the applications to do whatever the 
> purpose of the system is

Right, but who installs the application (no, no DEVOPS stuff), does 
trouble-shooting, makes backups (say, of the database, not VMS BACKUP), 
archives log files, and so on?  I know many people who do that.  What 
about Jan-Erik?  Isn't he like that (i.e. neither end-user, nor 
developer, nor system manager, at least not mainly)?