[Info-vax] Suggested DCL enhancement

[Phillip Helbig undress to reply]

In article <rnul4p$uhn$1 at gioia.aioe.org>, =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?=
<arne at vajhoej.dk> writes: 

> >> Traditional division is:
> >> * system managers - they people taking care of the system
> >> * developers - the people creating the applications to run on the system
> >> * end users - the people using the applications to do whatever the
> >> purpose of the system is
> > 
> > Right, but who installs the application (no, no DEVOPS stuff), does
> > trouble-shooting, makes backups (say, of the database, not VMS BACKUP),
> > archives log files, and so on?
> 
> The system manager.

Sometimes that is a VERY different role, i.e. a system manager with 
experience elsewhere could easily take it over, whereas the other job 
requires a knowledge of the applications, of third-party software, and 
so on.

> >                               I know many people who do that.
> 
> Possible.
> 
> But try to look at the big picture. Company. City. Country.
> 
> It will be:
> 
> number system managers < number of developers < number of end users

I think that the answer is "it depends"  There are definitely places 
with about 100 developers, about 5 system managers, about 30 
"application support people", and maybe about 30 end users.  There are 
people here who have never worked on a standalone VMS system, others who 
have never worked on a cluster.