[Info-vax] Suggested DCL enhancement

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 11/10/20 10:40 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
> 
> On 11/10/20 7:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 11/10/20 1:42 PM, Craig A. Berry wrote:
>>>
>>> On 11/10/20 11:26 AM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>>> On 2020-11-10 13:45:09 +0000, John E. Malmberg said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/4/2020 12:21 PM, Stephen Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IDE usage and management UI usage and app user interface designs 
>>>>>> are all shifting developers and administrators and networking 
>>>>>> folks and end-users away from the command-line, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been doing devops on and QA automation on Linux and windows 
>>>>> for a while now, and I can assure you that it command line is the 
>>>>> dominant method used for actually getting stuff configured and 
>>>>> doing functional tests.
>>>>>
>>>>> GUIs are find for end users at admins that have to deal with a few 
>>>>> systems, but when a small collection of systems to manage is at 
>>>>> least 100, anything requiring or using a GUI is PITA.   And I have 
>>>>> been routinely dealing with much higher numbers of systems.
>>>>> ...
>>>>> If you are designing a system or application to be managed with a 
>>>>> GUI instead of those methods, you are going to be hurting your 
>>>>> market share.
>>>>
>>>> What's the general trend? More command line? Or toward more 
>>>> automation and simpler interfaces?
>>>>
>>>> All of what I'm seeing is trending toward GUI, toward web-managed 
>>>> interfaces, toward simpler, and toward automation.
>>>
>>> The general trend for server management, devops, and, to a lesser extent
>>> even development is definitely away from the GUI and back to the command
>>> line.  Witness, for example, Microsoft Server Core,[1] which is Windows
>>> Server with no "Desktop Experience," or, in other words, Windows with no
>>> windows.
>>
>> Are you sure about that?  Are you sure the intent isn't just Remote
>> Desktop using RDP?  It's how I ran my datacenter even when Windows
>> Server still had a GUI presented.
> 
> You snipped the link I provided that explained it all in detail.  Remote
> management using GUI tools that run on the remote system is one of the
> options, at least for some features.  There are very few GUI tools
> available locally.  There is no WordPad or Windows Explorer, for example.

Sorry, I was just addressing your comment.  And, it appears I was right.
This isn't so much CLI vs. GUI as it is "lights Out
Datacenters".

bill