[Info-vax] Rdb/x86

[Hans Bachner]

Simon Clubley schrieb am 27.11.2020 um 19:52:
> On 2020-11-25, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) <helbig at asclothestro.multivax.de> wrote:
>> In article <rpm85v$spg$1 at dont-email.me>, Simon Clubley
>> <clubley at remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> writes:
>>
> 
> [I'm posting the following again because the original posting doesn't
> appear to have made it out of Eternal September. Apologies if you see
> this a second time and those of you who have posted using Eternal
> September over the last day or so might want to check that your own
> postings have made it out of Eternal September.]

Yup - Eternal September did not show new postings yesterday (less than a 
dozen, iirc) which were available on individual.de. They have caught up 
in the meantime.

If this is a word-for-word repetition of your original posting, it 
didn't make it to the rest of the world. Or not even to Eternal 
September (in its current state).

>>>> The announcement that Rdb is available for x86-VMS tells the manager
>>>> nothing about whether enough people will be using VMS on x86-64 to make
>>>> it a relatively safe decision for that manager to also take.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You _still_ don't get it Phillip.
>>>
>>> It tells the manager that a major vendor has committed to x86-64 VMS
>>> and that in itself helps give a increased level of confidence.
>>
>> In other contexts known as vaporware.
>>
> 
> You really don't get this marketing and building confidence within end-user
> organisations thing do you Phillip ?
> 
> It is the job of VSI marketing to convince the end-user organisations
> that staying the course with VSI, for however long it takes for x86-64
> VMS to become available, is the safest option for the end-user organisation
> (and for the manager's company pension!).
> 
> So far, VSI marketing don't appear to be doing a very good job of that
> (to put it mildly).
> 
>>> There's a reason why DEC spent the time maintaining the old application
>>> source books. This stuff matters. Big time.
>>
>> And what happened to DEC?
>>
> 
> For a time, they were the second most powerful computer company around.
> 
>>> That information only became available in public very recently and is
>>> still not on the VSI website that I can see.
>>
>> Rdb engineers have said, publicly, for years now that they expect Rdb to
>> run on VMS a short time after the first boot.  Old news.
>>
> 
> Most certainly not old news.
> 
> Even if the engineers were saying that (and I didn't see any mention
> of that), you cannot trust what they said until their management made
> a decision.

It is old news.

If you followed Oracle's OpenVMS Update Sessions (covering both Rdb and 
Oracle Server on OpenVMS), Kevin Duffy always mentioned the close 
relationship with VSI and Oracle's efforts for the port to x86. Of 
course, without a (rudimentary working) OpenVMS implementation on x86, 
these efforts were limited.

VSI always contributed presentations to Oracle's OpenVMS Update Sessions.

> [...]

Hans.