[Info-vax] Logging systartup_vms.com progress to operator.log VMS 7.3-2

[Dave Froble]

On 10/15/2020 1:49 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2020-10-15, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> (no quote as this is not really a reply to a specific post)
>>
>> WTF are people doing in their SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM ??
>>
>> To me it needs 5-10 lines for VMS stuff and 5-20 lines
>> for application stuff.
>>
>> And it is mostly just lines like:
>>
>> $ @somedisk:[somedir]something_startup.com
>>
>
> What happens when something is uninstalled and someone has to remember
> to reverse the manual changes ?
>
> Or what if you would like a way to disable a service at startup without
> having to manually edit the startup files ?

Perhaps one might queue up a message telling a particular service what 
to do?

>> I don't see a need for a database or anything else
>> advanced.
>>
>
> You need it when you start thinking in terms of package management.
>
> In addition to the above examples, what about dependency management
> where one package depends on another ?

If a function is dependent on something, should not it check to see if 
the required service is available?

>> These lines are easy to find and easy to read/modify
>> using a plain editor.
>>
>> Why complicate something that can be simple.
>>
>
> Because it's not as simple as it looks.

Actually, in a decent design, yes it is just that simple.

> That's why every other normal operating system still around (including
> Windows) has a proper package manager built into it.

Perhaps because they need them?


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