[Info-vax] Any stronger versions of the LMF planned ?, was: Re: LMF Licence Generator Code

[Simon Clubley]

On 2021-08-09, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 8/9/2021 8:08 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2021-08-08, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why should VSI care about VAX?
>>>
>>
>> Because of expected trust and honourable behaviour on the part of
>> the hobbyists if VSI decide to give them free access to what is
>> otherwise an expensive product.
>>
>> Is this concept of honourable behaviour really so hard to understand ?
>>
>> Simon.
>>
>
> As I may have mentioned, there is no need for "cheating" as long as VSI 
> exists.  As long as the VSI CL program exists, there is valid usage of 
> VSI releases of VMS.  So it won't happen.
>

Yes it will if VSI terminate the hobbyist program for some reason or
restrict its functionality for some reason.

Given some of the sense of entitlement we have seen, some people will
not accept that and look for ways to break the licencing on the existing
VSI hobbyist kits before this change or retirement was made.

> VSI has no interest in VAX.  So why should they care if some hobbyists 
> do whatever necessary to continue to run VAX/VMS?
>

You really don't get this honourable behaviour thing do you David ?

How a person conducts themself in one area can be used as an indicator
for how they will conduct themself in another area.

If you feel free to bypass a VAX licence, you are likely to feel free
to bypass a VSI hobbyist licence if the VSI hobbyist program gets changed
for some reason.

> Hobbyists enjoying the VSI CL are not hobbyists attempting to continue 
> to run VAX/VMS.  VSI's releases of VMS are NOT the same as VAX/VMS. 
> What is your justification of trying to consider them both the same thing?
>

I have explained that above.

> But let's address the plight of VAX/VMS and how it might relate to the 
> loss of use of VSI's VMS releases.  Does anyone (other than Simon) 
> expect entities who depend upon VSI's releases of VMS to keep their 
> businesses viable, and the employees who depend upon those businesses 
> for their jobs, just cease to exist if something happened to VSI?
>

You are moving the discussion away from hobbyist programs and to
business use.

However, to answer your question: No, I don't expect them to cease to
exist either. What I expect is for them to have done is to come up with
plans for how they would handle the failure of a vendor if they start
doing business with that vendor.

> Read that last paragraph carefully and then explain what should happen 
> should VSI cease operations.
>

Careful David, I'm getting told off for considering that possibility. :-)

> Is it "honorable behaviour" to expect businesses to just give up?  If 
> sos, then I do not understand.
>

What you should have done is before you committed to a vendor was to
consider what you would do if that vendor goes bust one day.

And to their credit, it looks like everyone is doing this. Why do you
think there is such a strong negative reaction to the time limited
production licences ?

Simon.

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