[Info-vax] Any stronger versions of the LMF planned ?, was: Re: LMF Licence Generator Code

[Dave Froble]

On 8/9/2021 11:26 AM, chris wrote:
> On 08/09/21 13:29, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 8/9/2021 8:08 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-08, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why should VSI care about VAX?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Because of expected trust and honourable behaviour on the part of
>>> the hobbyists if VSI decide to give them free access to what is
>>> otherwise an expensive product.
>>>
>>> Is this concept of honourable behaviour really so hard to understand ?
>>>
>>> Simon.
>>>
>>
>> As I may have mentioned, there is no need for "cheating" as long as VSI
>> exists. As long as the VSI CL program exists, there is valid usage of
>> VSI releases of VMS. So it won't happen.
>>
>> VSI has no interest in VAX. So why should they care if some hobbyists do
>> whatever necessary to continue to run VAX/VMS?
>>
>> Hobbyists enjoying the VSI CL are not hobbyists attempting to continue
>> to run VAX/VMS. VSI's releases of VMS are NOT the same as VAX/VMS. What
>> is your justification of trying to consider them both the same thing?
>>
>> But let's address the plight of VAX/VMS and how it might relate to the
>> loss of use of VSI's VMS releases. Does anyone (other than Simon) expect
>> entities who depend upon VSI's releases of VMS to keep their businesses
>> viable, and the employees who depend upon those businesses for their
>> jobs, just cease to exist if something happened to VSI?
>>
>> Read that last paragraph carefully and then explain what should happen
>> should VSI cease operations.
>>
>> Is it "honorable behaviour" to expect businesses to just give up? If
>> sos, then I do not understand.
>>
>
>
> I've said this before, but the way to get round that, what has become
> the standard business model for os's these days, is for the media to
> be free to use, but the money is made via support and patch availability
> contracts. Suse, Redhat and others have made millions via that business
> model, so we know it it does work. The majority of hobbyist users will
> never buy support, just noise in the big picture, but pro users will,
> which is where the ongoing revenue stream is to be found. Hard code LMF
> type systems just scream out: We don't trust you to do the right thing,
> not the best encouragement for sales, when the whole world and dog
> have found a better way.
>
> LMF and that sort of license business model, like department stores,
> are an idea that will never work in the modern age and won't encourage
> the curious to download vms to see how good it is. A lot of people,
> including myself, download and install various os's every year, just to
> evaluate them. Even Oracle make their os's free to use none commercially
> , with again, the money made via support contracts.

I don't have a problem with VSI requiring support for commercial use. 
I've been saying that for years now.  It is the way to go.

But my customers are important to me, and, I cannot promote anything 
that would cripple or destroy their businesses, and their employees jobs.

I'm thinking that VSI would have similar intent, and for all we know, 
there is already something to address that.  We just aren't aware of it.

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