[Info-vax] Any stronger versions of the LMF planned ?, was: Re: LMF Licence Generator Code

[Phil Howell]

On Wednesday, 11 August 2021 at 7:00:41 am UTC+10, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-08-10 kl. 22:49, skrev Arne Vajhøj: 
> > On 8/10/2021 3:57 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote: 
> >> Den 2021-08-10 kl. 19:47, skrev Arne Vajhøj: 
> >>> On 8/10/2021 1:30 PM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote: 
> >>>> At least 
> >>>> at one time one could download a kit (not the latest) with no support if 
> >>>> one were DEVELOPING a COMMERCIAL application. While that is 
> >>>> non-commercial (as long as it doesn't make money), it is a SMALL subset 
> >>>> of non-commercial use and definitely NOT some sort of hobbyist or 
> >>>> community license. 
> >>> 
> >>> Oracle allows free development for a lot of their products. 
> >> 
> >> I think that is generally true for any product in the "Enterprise" class. 
> >> There is an Enterprise version of Oracle "classic" and any Rdb version 
> >> (there is really only one for each platform) is always "Enterprise". 
> >> So Rdb is always free for your development system, as I understand. 
> >> Test and prod is differnt and with weird rules. 
> >> 
> >> We where quoted for Rdb on a new 2 CPU DS25 Alpha test system. Oracle 
> >> claimed that the lowest quote was 25 "users" per CPU or 50 users in 
> >> our case. For a test box with at most 2 developers testing new stuff. 
> >> That project was canned, Rdb was about 5 times the VMS cost and 10 
> >> times the cost of the DS25 hardware. For a test system... 
> > 
> > Oracle pricing can be "a bit high". 
> > 
> > :-) 
> > 
> > Has anyone gotten a message from Oracle about how Rdb will 
> > be licensed on x86-64? 
> > 
> > Traditional Oracle licensing would be a list price if 47500 dollars 
> > per 2 cores of CPU. 
> > 
> > And Oracle traditionally count all cores in the physical 
> > box not VCPU's allocated to VM unless Oracle VM software 
> > is used. 
> > 
> > And with modern 16/24/32 core CPU's then that would 
> > be "a bit pricey". 
> > 
> > Arne 
> >
> That is the "full system" pricing. You can also ask for a "per user" 
> quote and compare the outcome. But note that there is a min quote of 
> 25 "users" per core. And also, Oracle prices are usually highly 
> negotiable, reductions of up to 50% has been seen.


The trick there is to time your negotiations  so they can book an order just before the end of financial year (end of May)
This also applies to quarters (end of Aug Nov Feb)

The salesperson always want their money NOW