[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/14/21 10:49 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/14/2021 10:29 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/14/21 10:03 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2021 9:02 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/21 9:34 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/2021 3:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/13/21 1:26 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>> And it has thrived because of the value it provides - not because
>>>>>>> universities pushed it. The last 10-20 years Computer Science
>>>>>>> has pushed FP not OOP. But true FP has never really caught on
>>>>>>> in the industry. Most OOP languages got a few FP features and
>>>>>>> they are used for convenience, but not enough to be true FP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, I think OOP is going to be here a long time.  I am just
>>>>>> glad the people working where it is not a good fit have resisted
>>>>>> it.  I still do COBOL.  Mostly just for fun, but it is still
>>>>>> interesting.  You should go over to Rosetta Code and see all the
>>>>>> things COBOL does that aren't even in its wheelhouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cobol was intended as a business application language but it is
>>>>> enough general purpose to that almost everything can be done
>>>>> in it.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly.  I  have done some COBOL stuff for Rosetta Code and
>>>> it's really fun.  May do another one today.  Of course, I also
>>>> do DIBOL-11, MACRO-11, Ratfor and Basic09.  And, I am thinking
>>>> of doing some Logo (I have gotten back into Logo because my 8
>>>> year old grandson wants to learn "coding" and Logo is an ideal
>>>> language for teaching the basics to someone his age).  If there
>>>> was an available PL/I compiler I would probably do a bunch in
>>>> that, too.  The fun of being a dinosaur.
>>>
>>> Kednos had PL/I for VAX and Alpha and a hobbyist program.
>>
>> Kednos is gone as far as I know.  And they didn't just release
>> the compiler when they left.  Wonder what Dave things of that?
>>
>>>
>>> Maybe you can get a kit and a license - I think it was said
>>> that even though the business is closed then a hobbyist
>>> license could still be issued.
>>
>> And, that also assumes one has a usable VMS system.  Other than my
>> VAX which is not going to be running much longer I have had very
>> little luck getting an Alpha version up as I have no hardware and
>> the emulators (at least the free ones) haven't worked well for me.
> 
> VMS PL/I certainly requires VMS.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Emulator has worked for me, but I believe Alpha's can be had relative
> cheap.

In most cases it costs more to ship one than the whole box is worth.
Sadly, I have been one of those fixed income retirees you keep hearing
about for several years now.  And inflation is making it even harder
to make do.  Afraid there is no spare money for computer hobbies any
more.  With the price of gas I can't even afford to make road trips
for FTGH gear any more.  :-)

> 
> But then you need  to track down the license.

VSI License is easy to come by.  I have one for the emulators I have
been trying to get running.

> 
>> But I may look into that. Haven't done any serious PL/I for
>> 40 years but it was fun when I did.
> 
> There are lots of rare languages to look at.
> 
> GNU Modula-2 runs great on Linux.

I was never impressed with Modula.  Not even when it got all
the way up to 2.  :-)

> 
>>> Or you could give http://www.iron-spring.com/ a try on
>>> Linux.
>>
>> Didn't know about this but a quick look shows  a beta that
>> is, at least so far, incomplete.  But then, it's free and
>> you get what you pay for.
> 
> Too bad that Raincode only offer their Cobol compiler for
> free and not their PL/I compiler.

OK, I guess, if you want to do Windows.  :-)

bill