[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 12/14/2021 10:29 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/14/21 10:03 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/14/2021 9:02 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 12/13/21 9:34 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/2021 3:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/13/21 1:26 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> And it has thrived because of the value it provides - not because
>>>>>> universities pushed it. The last 10-20 years Computer Science
>>>>>> has pushed FP not OOP. But true FP has never really caught on
>>>>>> in the industry. Most OOP languages got a few FP features and
>>>>>> they are used for convenience, but not enough to be true FP.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly, I think OOP is going to be here a long time.  I am just
>>>>> glad the people working where it is not a good fit have resisted
>>>>> it.  I still do COBOL.  Mostly just for fun, but it is still
>>>>> interesting.  You should go over to Rosetta Code and see all the
>>>>> things COBOL does that aren't even in its wheelhouse.
>>>>
>>>> Cobol was intended as a business application language but it is
>>>> enough general purpose to that almost everything can be done
>>>> in it.
>>>
>>> Exactly.  I  have done some COBOL stuff for Rosetta Code and
>>> it's really fun.  May do another one today.  Of course, I also
>>> do DIBOL-11, MACRO-11, Ratfor and Basic09.  And, I am thinking
>>> of doing some Logo (I have gotten back into Logo because my 8
>>> year old grandson wants to learn "coding" and Logo is an ideal
>>> language for teaching the basics to someone his age).  If there
>>> was an available PL/I compiler I would probably do a bunch in
>>> that, too.  The fun of being a dinosaur.
>>
>> Kednos had PL/I for VAX and Alpha and a hobbyist program.
> 
> Kednos is gone as far as I know.  And they didn't just release
> the compiler when they left.  Wonder what Dave things of that?
> 
>>
>> Maybe you can get a kit and a license - I think it was said
>> that even though the business is closed then a hobbyist
>> license could still be issued.
> 
> And, that also assumes one has a usable VMS system.  Other than my
> VAX which is not going to be running much longer I have had very
> little luck getting an Alpha version up as I have no hardware and
> the emulators (at least the free ones) haven't worked well for me.

VMS PL/I certainly requires VMS.

:-)

Emulator has worked for me, but I believe Alpha's can be had relative
cheap.

But then you need  to track down the license.

> But I may look into that. Haven't done any serious PL/I for
> 40 years but it was fun when I did.

There are lots of rare languages to look at.

GNU Modula-2 runs great on Linux.

>> Or you could give http://www.iron-spring.com/ a try on
>> Linux.
> 
> Didn't know about this but a quick look shows  a beta that
> is, at least so far, incomplete.  But then, it's free and
> you get what you pay for.

Too bad that Raincode only offer their Cobol compiler for
free and not their PL/I compiler.

Arne