[Info-vax] Licenses on VAX/VMS 4.0/4.1 source code listing scans

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/14/21 10:03 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/14/2021 9:02 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/13/21 9:34 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 12/13/2021 3:44 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/13/21 1:26 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> And it has thrived because of the value it provides - not because
>>>>> universities pushed it. The last 10-20 years Computer Science
>>>>> has pushed FP not OOP. But true FP has never really caught on
>>>>> in the industry. Most OOP languages got a few FP features and
>>>>> they are used for convenience, but not enough to be true FP.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, I think OOP is going to be here a long time.  I am just
>>>> glad the people working where it is not a good fit have resisted
>>>> it.  I still do COBOL.  Mostly just for fun, but it is still
>>>> interesting.  You should go over to Rosetta Code and see all the
>>>> things COBOL does that aren't even in its wheelhouse.
>>>
>>> Cobol was intended as a business application language but it is
>>> enough general purpose to that almost everything can be done
>>> in it.
>>
>> Exactly.  I  have done some COBOL stuff for Rosetta Code and
>> it's really fun.  May do another one today.  Of course, I also
>> do DIBOL-11, MACRO-11, Ratfor and Basic09.  And, I am thinking
>> of doing some Logo (I have gotten back into Logo because my 8
>> year old grandson wants to learn "coding" and Logo is an ideal
>> language for teaching the basics to someone his age).  If there
>> was an available PL/I compiler I would probably do a bunch in
>> that, too.  The fun of being a dinosaur.
> 
> Kednos had PL/I for VAX and Alpha and a hobbyist program.

Kednos is gone as far as I know.  And they didn't just release
the compiler when they left.  Wonder what Dave things of that?

> 
> Maybe you can get a kit and a license - I think it was said
> that even though the business is closed then a hobbyist
> license could still be issued.

And, that also assumes one has a usable VMS system.  Other than my
VAX which is not going to be running much longer I have had very
little luck getting an Alpha version up as I have no hardware and
the emulators (at least the free ones) haven't worked well for me.

But I may look into that. Haven't done any serious PL/I for
40 years but it was fun when I did.

> 
> Or you could give http://www.iron-spring.com/ a try on
> Linux.

Didn't know about this but a quick look shows  a beta that
is, at least so far, incomplete.  But then, it's free and
you get what you pay for.

Guess I'll stick with the languages I have more support for
at the moment.  Just found a few more tasks that look like fun.

bill