[Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/20/21 11:32 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 12/20/2021 8:16 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/20/21 6:08 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2021 1:00 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/20/21 12:45 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 12/20/2021 12:16 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/20/21 8:12 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/20/2021 12:32 AM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2021 6:48 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2021 5:32 PM, VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article 
>>>>>>>>>> <a6553b0e-2769-49cd-9bf6-5e361524a8dcn at googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> "alanfe... at gmail.com" <alanfeldman48 at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:43:26 AM UTC-5, Volker 
>>>>>>>>>>> Halle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> EISNER is co-located in a data center of VSI since a couple 
>>>>>>>>>>>> of years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Volker.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what city? Whose data center? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, VSI is in Burlington.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given the size of VSI and the fact that it is 2021 then there is a
>>>>>>>>> pretty big probability that they use external hosting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How many external hosting sites offer a DS20?  That's what it 
>>>>>>>> was running
>>>>>>>> on last I heard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably none.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But a lot of hosting facilities offer rack space where a
>>>>>>> DS20 will fit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are providing the hardware and the software what exactly is 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> advantage
>>>>>
>>>>> You get a specialist to handle all the computer room / data center
>>>>> work: power incl. UPS, cooling, network connectivity, fire protection,
>>>>> access control etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> A small company could do all that themselves, but either it would not
>>>>> be done right or it would be way more expensive than paying someone
>>>>> that does it for thousands of customers.
>>>>>
>>>>>>            of putting your data in someone else's hands?
>>>>>
>>>>> The risk that the hosting provide would steal data is
>>>>> probably not one of the bigger concerns.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's not just the hosting company's employees you need to fear.
>>>> I don't understand all the trust people seem willing to place
>>>> in the hands of people you really don't know and have no control
>>>> over.  Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age but I don't
>>>> really see a reason to trust strangers whose only real interest
>>>> is how much the can get out of my wallet.
>>>>
>>>> bill
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you trust the military to protect the country, or is every home 
>>> heavily armed?
>>
>> I was a part of it for more than 20 years.  I trust the military.  A
>> lot more than I trust the politicians running this country.  And, a
>> lot of homes are, in fact, heavily armed.  A factor that is starting
>> to scare those politicians.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you grow all your own food?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you have your own water treatment plant?  If you live in town.
>>
>> Don't live in town.  have my own well.  When I lived in town
>> I bought separate drinking water.  I once had my tap water tested
>> by the people who tested my pool water.  It was unfit for use
>> in a swimming pool.  I certainly wouldn't drink it.
>>
>>>
>>> Do you trust congress,  uhh, wait, don't go there ..
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>>
>>> There is economies of scale in many things.  Of all the possible 
>>> advantages,
>>> I'd rate good internet connection(s) at or near the top of the list.  
>>> Power also.
>>>
>>> Ok, if you're Sandia Labs, no, you don't outsource.  But for many, 
>>> the service
>>> would be better, and the cost less.
>>>
>>
>> And I still don't see how you draw that conclusion.  It's really all
>> about trusting someone who has done nothing to win that trust.
>>
>> bill
> 
> Ok, I'm beginning to think you're pulling a "Dave".  Playing devil's 
> advocate, just for the fun of it.

No, I seriously believe all this cloud crap is a really bad idea.

> 
> Do you trust the grocery store to sell you edible food?  Why?  What have 
> they done to earn your trust?

Apples and oranges, but anyway.

They have nothing to gain from poisoning  me.  The cloud providers
have a lot to gain by acquiring my data.  And access to my wallet.

> 
> It's the same for many things.  Businesses provide services.  What's so 
> different about some hosting company?  It's just another business 
> service, and yes, some may be better than others, customer beware, check 
> out your service suppliers, for everything, not just computer system 
> hosting.  It's like avoiding a grocery which always has rotten produce.
> 

One of the big difference is that in many cases you really don't have
an alternative to the grocery store.  If you live in NYC your not going
to have a farm to grow your own.   But  in the case of the cloud, you
do have an alternative.  And, it is one you can trust.  Unless you don't
trust yourself. :-)  I know it is mostly about cost, but just like the
constant argument about true cost of TCO I think  more people need to
consider the true cost of outsourcing and that includes the risk. Much
more today than in the past.

bill