[Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?

[Dave Froble]

On 12/21/2021 8:38 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 12/20/21 11:32 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>> On 12/20/2021 8:16 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 12/20/21 6:08 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>> On 12/20/2021 1:00 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>> On 12/20/21 12:45 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/20/2021 12:16 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/20/21 8:12 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/20/2021 12:32 AM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2021 6:48 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/19/2021 5:32 PM, VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <a6553b0e-2769-49cd-9bf6-5e361524a8dcn at googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>> "alanfe... at gmail.com" <alanfeldman48 at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 19, 2021 at 5:43:26 AM UTC-5, Volker Halle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> EISNER is co-located in a data center of VSI since a couple of years.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Volker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know what city? Whose data center? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, VSI is in Burlington.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given the size of VSI and the fact that it is 2021 then there is a
>>>>>>>>>> pretty big probability that they use external hosting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How many external hosting sites offer a DS20?  That's what it was running
>>>>>>>>> on last I heard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably none.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But a lot of hosting facilities offer rack space where a
>>>>>>>> DS20 will fit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are providing the hardware and the software what exactly is the
>>>>>>> advantage
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You get a specialist to handle all the computer room / data center
>>>>>> work: power incl. UPS, cooling, network connectivity, fire protection,
>>>>>> access control etc..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A small company could do all that themselves, but either it would not
>>>>>> be done right or it would be way more expensive than paying someone
>>>>>> that does it for thousands of customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            of putting your data in someone else's hands?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The risk that the hosting provide would steal data is
>>>>>> probably not one of the bigger concerns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not just the hosting company's employees you need to fear.
>>>>> I don't understand all the trust people seem willing to place
>>>>> in the hands of people you really don't know and have no control
>>>>> over.  Maybe I'm just getting cynical in my old age but I don't
>>>>> really see a reason to trust strangers whose only real interest
>>>>> is how much the can get out of my wallet.
>>>>>
>>>>> bill
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you trust the military to protect the country, or is every home heavily
>>>> armed?
>>>
>>> I was a part of it for more than 20 years.  I trust the military.  A
>>> lot more than I trust the politicians running this country.  And, a
>>> lot of homes are, in fact, heavily armed.  A factor that is starting
>>> to scare those politicians.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you grow all your own food?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you have your own water treatment plant?  If you live in town.
>>>
>>> Don't live in town.  have my own well.  When I lived in town
>>> I bought separate drinking water.  I once had my tap water tested
>>> by the people who tested my pool water.  It was unfit for use
>>> in a swimming pool.  I certainly wouldn't drink it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you trust congress,  uhh, wait, don't go there ..
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is economies of scale in many things.  Of all the possible advantages,
>>>> I'd rate good internet connection(s) at or near the top of the list.  Power
>>>> also.
>>>>
>>>> Ok, if you're Sandia Labs, no, you don't outsource.  But for many, the service
>>>> would be better, and the cost less.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And I still don't see how you draw that conclusion.  It's really all
>>> about trusting someone who has done nothing to win that trust.
>>>
>>> bill
>>
>> Ok, I'm beginning to think you're pulling a "Dave".  Playing devil's advocate,
>> just for the fun of it.
>
> No, I seriously believe all this cloud crap is a really bad idea.
>
>>
>> Do you trust the grocery store to sell you edible food?  Why?  What have they
>> done to earn your trust?
>
> Apples and oranges, but anyway.
>
> They have nothing to gain from poisoning  me.  The cloud providers
> have a lot to gain by acquiring my data.  And access to my wallet.
>
>>
>> It's the same for many things.  Businesses provide services.  What's so
>> different about some hosting company?  It's just another business service, and
>> yes, some may be better than others, customer beware, check out your service
>> suppliers, for everything, not just computer system hosting.  It's like
>> avoiding a grocery which always has rotten produce.
>>
>
> One of the big difference is that in many cases you really don't have
> an alternative to the grocery store.  If you live in NYC your not going
> to have a farm to grow your own.   But  in the case of the cloud, you
> do have an alternative.  And, it is one you can trust.  Unless you don't
> trust yourself. :-)  I know it is mostly about cost, but just like the
> constant argument about true cost of TCO I think  more people need to
> consider the true cost of outsourcing and that includes the risk. Much
> more today than in the past.
>
> bill

Uhh ... Bill ...

WE AIN'T TALKING ABOUT "CLOUD" !!!!!!!!!!

We're talking about a facility where you can install and run your equipment!

A facility that provides a service.  Like renting a place with special 
equipment, capabilities, protections, and such.  Maybe like an apartment 
building with multiple renters of apartments.  Common services for each renter. 
It's still your equipment.  It's still your data.

Go elsewhere if you want to rant about "the cloud".  Not here.

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