[Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2021-12-28 kl. 03:04, skrev alanfe... at gmail.com:
> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 6:50:50 PM UTC-5, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2021-12-27 kl. 22:28, skrev alanfe... at gmail.com:
>>> On Monday, December 27, 2021 at 4:11:52 PM UTC-5, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>> alanfe... at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The rest of the world doesn't have several elements named after American entities: Americium, Berkelium, Californium, Tennessine, Lawrencium (a lab in California). Can any other country beat that?
>>>> Russia, by a long shot. They have all the superheavy elements, even if
>>>> Americans have a few of the transuranics. But then Russians have a bunch
>>>> of weird ones like Samarium on top of that.
>>>>
>>>> And many of the rare earth elements are named after places in Scandinavia.
>>>> Holmium is named after Stockholm, Scandium and Thulium after Scandinavia
>>>> in general, Erbium, Terbium, Ytterbium all after the Ytterby mine in
>>>> Sweden.
>>>> --scott
>>>> -- 
>>>> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
>>>
>>> I misspoke. I was thinking manufactured elements that don't exist in nature. Sorry. I misspoke. My bad.
>>>
>> Ah, OK. There you might have a point. I looked them up and most are just
>> made up things with low or even none at all practical use. Most of them are
>> also very shortlived with half-live measured from 10's of milliseconds
>> (tennessine) to a few hours (Lawrencium). What use do you have for them?
> 
> Doesn't matter. I didn't say they were useful. For physics they are. For chemistry or direct pratical use, nothing yet. But you could have said that about Faraday's discovery of induction, Einsteins discovery in 1917 of stimulated emission, and other things.
> 
>>
>> Materials in the periodic system up to number 94 or 95 are "natural". The
>> rest doesn't exists in nature, only in laboratories and are usually very
>> short-lived.
> 
> My impression has been that only up to U is found in nature.

Yes, 94 and 95 are debated. There has been signes of natural existance
way long ago after some event in Africa, but they have also been long
gong since they fall apart quickly.

> 
>>
>> Here is a list of natural elements with Swedish discovrer. I think that
>> you will easily recognize at least the top 12-13 on that list. Many of
>> them are heavily used in the everyday life today.
>>
>> Cobalt - Discovered 1732 by Georg Brandt.
>> Nickel - Discovered 1751 by Axel Fredrik Cronsted.
>> Nitrogen - Discovered 1772 by Carl Wilhelm Scheele (and Daniel Rutherford).
>> Oxygen - Discovered 1773 by Carl Wilhelm Scheele.
>> Manganese - Discovered 1774 by Johan Gottlieb Gahn.
>> Tantalum - Discovered 1802 by Anders Gustaf Ekeberg.
>> Cerium - Discovered 1803 by Jöns Jacob Berzelius & Wilhelm Hisinger (Ger.)
>> Selenium - Discovered 1817 by Jöns Jacob Berzelius.
>> Silicon - Discovered 1823 by Jöns Jacob Berzelius.
>> Thorium - Discovered 1829 by Jöns Jacob Berzelius.
>> Lithium - Discovered 1817 by Johan August Arfwedson.
>> Vanadium - Discovered 1830 by Nils Gabriel Sefström.
>> Lanthanum - Discovered 1839 by Carl Gustaf Mosander.
>> Praseodymium & Neodymium - Extracted from the mineral Didymium discovered
>> by Carl Gustaf Mosander.
>> Erbium - Discovered 1843 by Carl Gustaf Mosander.
>> Terbium - Discovered 1842 by Carl Gustaf Mosander.
>> Holmium - Discovered 1879 by Per Theodor Cleve.
>> Thulium - Discovered 1879 by Per Theodor Cleve.
>> Scandium - Discovered by Lars Fredrik Nilson.
>>
>> So, what was your point again?
> 
> That AFAIK, the U.S. has manufactured more new elements than other countries.

And the practical usage is, what?

> Maybe I'm wrong about that...

Maybe not. It is not that surprising that there were some side-effects
from the Manhattan project and other nuclear work. I just do not see
how it matters and what the real-life usage is. Apart from proving that
it *can* be done. That might matter for some, of course.