[Info-vax] [From VSI website] VSI Announces a Strategic Partnership with Sector 7

Jan-Erik Söderholm jan-erik.soderholm at telia.com
Thu Jan 28 17:54:19 EST 2021


Den 2021-01-28 kl. 19:44, skrev Simon Clubley:
> On 2021-01-28, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 1/28/2021 10:44 AM, Richard Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>> Those actively migrating to Postgres are clearly skeptical about a committed
>>> port of Rdb for x86.
>>
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>
>> But the second worries me a bit. Why would people not have
>> faith in the Rdb x86-64 port? Does somebody know something
>> we don't know??
>>
> 
> Well Jan-Erik or someone else has not posted a message-of-doom saying
> that the port of Rdb to x86-64 VMS has been cancelled so I assume that
> is still going ahead.
> 
> So that leaves the obvious question, did the people who decided to move
> away from Rdb even know about the port of Rdb to x86-64 VMS ?

Anyone using Rdb (having a contract) could ask Oracle. And I'm sure that
everyone where the future of Rdb on x86 really matters has done that.

But then, Oracle are not known to make long time commitments of future
products until they are ready to ship. But I know that after the regular
techincal update days, you could book private talks to the Oracle mgr's
under NDA to ask your important questions.

Anyone evaluating a port off VMS probably have other and larger issues
than the availability of Rdb on x86. Such as lack of personell knowing
VMS, one of the largest issues for the place I work at the moment.
Our VMS boxes runs perfectly well. They get good services from the
systems with fast respons times. There is a future by the x86 port.
Our VMS based system has a far lower cost then similar support systems
using other technologies or commersial offers.

But, it is very hard to get proper personell to work with the systems.
*That* is THE major issue. Not anything technical. If I would leave the
whole production support will fall apart after while.


> If they eventually found out about it, was it too late to change course
> because they had now committed to moving off Rdb (and maybe away from VMS) ?
> 
> Has the lack of _public_ announcements from VSI given those customers
> the wrong impression about how likely it is Rdb is coming to x86-64 VMS ?
> Judging from the comments here, Rdb on x86-64 VMS is a really big deal
> and VSI's public announcements should have reflected that.
> 

You make it sound like some big thing has happened. Those taking part
of the regular metings and updates from Oracle have seen and heard this
already. Nothing major has changed.

> _This_ is exactly why VSI should be having major marketing campaigns to
> let everyone know as soon as possible that things like this have been
> committed to and to build an aura of confidence that these plans will
> turn into tangible products their potential customers can rely on.
> 

Noone has *commited* to anything, as far as I understrand. Even VSI could
stop their operation next week and just shut down the whole operation.


> It was absolutely pathetic...

You are pathetic in the way you think you know everything. You take
every chance you get to bash on VSI. It's you right to do so, but
it is tiresome and pathetic.


> that VSI couldn't even put an announcement
> on their front page and in their news section about Oracle committing
> to Rdb on x86-64 VMS.
>

Noone has committed to anything, as far as I understand. But the chance
that there will be a Rdb for VMS/x86 is high enough for me.

> How many potential VSI customers, even now, don't even know about the
> plans for Rdb on x86-64 VMS ?
> 

"Potential VSI customers" Come on...
Anyone for whom Rdb matters, knows. For those where the existens of
Rdb on VMS/x86 does not matter, well, they probably don't care...

Are you in charge of any VMS systems where the existance of Rdb on
VMS/x86 is an important question?



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