[Info-vax] Unexpected DECnet Phase IV functionality with possible captive account implications

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On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 7:38:56 PM UTC-4, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 5/19/2021 7:22 PM, Simon Clubley wrote: 
> > On 2021-05-19, Dave Froble <da... at tsoft-inc.com> wrote: 
> >> On 5/19/2021 5:46 PM, ultr... at gmail.com wrote: 
> >>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:55:15 PM UTC-4, Simon Clubley wrote: 
> >>>> On 2021-05-17, Dave Froble <da... at tsoft-inc.com> wrote: 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> It's a bit funny, and a lot sad, that even though people know what they 
> >>>>> are advocating doesn't exist, they still promote it. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> The point of the list was to give Brian some ideas that do work 
> >>>> on VMS (NFS for example) and also list how this is done on other 
> >>>> operating systems using some options that do not currently work 
> >>>> on VMS. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> IOW, there are a number of ways to do what Brian is asking for. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> You just need to have the functionality in the operating system 
> >>>> in question to do it in all of those ways. 
> >>> 
> >>> there are us actual OpenVMS users who actually like the VMS file and command implementation 
> >>> and don't want to become linucized. 
> >>> 
> >>> If you love that crap OS so much use it but don't force those crap extensions on us. 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> Every 10-20 years Bob has a winner. 
> >> 
> >> +1 
> >> 
> > 
> > Not really. If you want VMS to exist tomorrow, then VMS needs to support 
> > the protocols that other operating systems use.
> But why can't it continue to support what some of us know, and like?
> > By the reasoning of both of you, then you are saying that if something 
> > didn't originate on VMS, then it should not be used on VMS.
> Now there you go again, putting words in other's mouths/fingers. Never 
> said anything like that at all.
> > That means no LLVM for x86-64 VMS, no ELF for executable formats, 
> > none of the TCP/IP protocols, no GFS2 (assuming VSI has sorted out 
> > the licencing issues) and that VMS should not run on x86-64.
> See how you get carried away?
> > Is that really what both of you are saying ?
> Where did you read anything like that?
> > BTW, before Bob comments about security (as he usually does), Linux 
> > has mandatory access controls and other isolation options. What does 
> > VMS have to match that ?

> No power cord? 
> 
> Decent app developers?
> -- 

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