[Info-vax] Unexpected DECnet Phase IV functionality with possible captive account implications

[Simon Clubley]

On 2021-05-19, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
> On 5/19/2021 7:22 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2021-05-19, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>> On 5/19/2021 5:46 PM, ultr... at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, May 18, 2021 at 2:55:15 PM UTC-4, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-05-17, Dave Froble <da... at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a bit funny, and a lot sad, that even though people know what they
>>>>>> are advocating doesn't exist, they still promote it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The point of the list was to give Brian some ideas that do work
>>>>> on VMS (NFS for example) and also list how this is done on other
>>>>> operating systems using some options that do not currently work
>>>>> on VMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> IOW, there are a number of ways to do what Brian is asking for.
>>>>>
>>>>> You just need to have the functionality in the operating system
>>>>> in question to do it in all of those ways.
>>>>
>>>> there are us actual OpenVMS users who actually like the VMS file and command implementation
>>>> and don't want to become linucized.
>>>>

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>>>> If you love that crap OS so much use it but don't force those crap extensions on us.
>>>>

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>>>
>>> Every 10-20 years Bob has a winner.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>
>> Not really. If you want VMS to exist tomorrow, then VMS needs to support
>> the protocols that other operating systems use.
>
> But why can't it continue to support what some of us know, and like?
>
>> By the reasoning of both of you, then you are saying that if something
>> didn't originate on VMS, then it should not be used on VMS.
>
> Now there you go again, putting words in other's mouths/fingers.  Never 
> said anything like that at all.
>
>> That means no LLVM for x86-64 VMS, no ELF for executable formats,
>> none of the TCP/IP protocols, no GFS2 (assuming VSI has sorted out
>> the licencing issues) and that VMS should not run on x86-64.
>
> See how you get carried away?
>
>> Is that really what both of you are saying ?
>
> Where did you read anything like that?
>

I've highlighted the section above.

>> BTW, before Bob comments about security (as he usually does), Linux
>> has mandatory access controls and other isolation options. What does
>> VMS have to match that ?
>
> No power cord?
>
> Decent app developers?
>

Seriously David ? :-(

Simon.

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