[Info-vax] OpenVMS development tooling

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 9/30/2021 11:20 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 9/30/2021 9:47 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 9/30/2021 9:38 PM, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 8:13:12 PM UTC+13,
>>> dgso... at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Where can I buy a modern affordable PowerPC desktop computer with
>>>> similar performance to current generation Intel gear?
>>>
>>> I don’t think “PowerPC” exists as a separate brand any more: it’s all
>>> “POWER” now.
>>>
>>> And a few minutes’ searching was enough to reveal such as these:
>>
>> Did you read them?
>>
>>> http://www.tyan.com/EN/solution/openpower
>>
>> Servers not desktops.
> 
> Really Arne, what's the difference?  Most things now will fit on a desktop.

Rack mountable, large number of hot swapable disks and
likely a noise level around jet engine level indicate server.

If you look at them then they look pretty similar
to the Itanium you got - do you consider that a
desktop or a server?

>>> https://www.raptorcs.com/TALOSII/
>>
>> There are desktop systems here.
>>
>> But I will not call them affordable. Prices vary from 4765 to 6825.
>> And that is before upgrades!
> 
> People doing CAD and such might not think so ...

Maybe not.

But since the context was whether there was a mass market
for Microsoft to sell Windows, then affordable is affordable
for the mass market not for high-end workstation users.

BTW, I doubt that the CAD people would like it. The 4765 dollar model
is 4 core, 8 GB of RAM and no graphics card (that is an upgrade!).

>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/libre-soc-releases-first-non-ibm-openpower-chip-in-decade 
>>
>> Chip not desktop.

Arne