[Info-vax] OpenVMS developmen integration with Azure DevOps.

[Forster, Michael]

OR...

"Why can't you fit in with all the other stuff we have in DevOps? Why is there a single aberration?"

Sorry! I don't believe this as a blanket statement though many seem to...

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On 9/1/2021 10:52 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-09-01 kl. 14:35, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>> On 9/1/2021 5:47 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> There are talks around our OpenVMS environment and project work
>>> where it is looked at to add Azure DevOps to our work environment.
>>>
>>> They are talkning about "pipelines" within Azure DevOps where
>>> the build procedures are setup and the build is run from within
>>> the Azure Devops environment.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any comments around this? Have anyone looked at
>>> using Azure DevOps for their OpenVMS development/test/deploy?
>>>
>>> Has anyone looked at other tools (DECset?) to do anything in
>>> this direction?
>>
>> I suspect that typical VMS processes are a few decades behind
>> modern cloud devops processes.
>>
>> But most things are possible with some effort.
>>
>> I know that:
>> - John Malmberg & vms-ports use Jenkins for builds
>> - Jenkins integrate with Azure devops
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://sourceforge.net/p/vms-ports/wiki/UsingJenkinsCi/__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!szvxOuG6tmLnDKggYoOwwS49h18i8cTORKwu4V4i_aIyrSQY7XLiAN8d04gaEcs$
>>
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://medium.com/@bbenz/azure-devops-and-jenkins-in-perfect-harmony-8c92ff980723__;!!H8mHWRdzp34!szvxOuG6tmLnDKggYoOwwS49h18i8cTORKwu4V4i_aIyrSQY7XLiAN8dhaRDhnc$
>>
>>
>> Maybe some of that stuff can be utilized.
>>
>> Arne
>>
>
> Right, the guy that made the Azure DevOps presentation from our group
> had a hard time to understand why we just didn't copy our source codes
> to a Azure VM and just run the build from DevOps... :-)

Right, so he didn't know what he was talking about, huh?

Who wants to follow this pied piper into the swamp, and worse?

> We had to run a quick presentation of OpenVMS on our Alpha dev system.
> Oh, so it is Cobol?
> Oh, so it is a main-frame?
> Oh, so this is not running on X86?

As observer, the guy had no idea what he was talking about.

Some question for the jerk ...

The current system is working just fine, why should we take your advice?

What will we get?  A sideways move, at best, and more likely bugs and less.

Who is going to pay for this?

What is the business case to do anything?

The list is long ....

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