[Info-vax] Command Procedure Pipe output to a variable

[Simon Clubley]

On 2021-09-07, VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG <VAXman- at SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote:
>
> My buddy Simon has completely ignored my comments on record oriented access
> over DECnet.  I believe he speaks and types only to hear and read himself. 
>  

As you should well know Brian, using an insecure protocol in an insecure
environment just because of a certain feature is utterly irresponsible
from a security point of view.

This isn't even appropriate any more for protocols that offer major
unique functionality such as VMS clusters. Why do you think VSI,
with everything else they need to do, are investing time and effort
into adding a secure layer to the clustering protocol ?

No, you should look for alternatives or find a different way to do
things. That's why telnet is banned (for example) and ssh is enforced
on many networks today. Everyone else manages to solve data sharing
problems using secure techniques available on those other platforms.
If VMS doesn't have those secure options, then that's a failing in VMS.

BTW, record access is a feature that is a unique VMS requirement. You could
try the VMS versions of NFS which supports the storing of VMS attributes.
However, do any of the VMS NFS implementations support the NFS 4 protocol
with secure links ?

As for file sharing in general, other people do it by using clustering
protocols, remotely mounting filesystems or just copying the files.
Examples include NFS, Samba, and GFS2.

Linux has also recently acquired the ability to mount filesystems over
SSH, but you are unlikely to ever see that in VMS due to VMS's utter
inability to support userspace filesystems.

Times have changed and VMS needs to keep up with those times if it
is to remain usable in many of today's environments. Telling everyone
else to stand still so that VMS can still play is not a viable approach.

One final question: If DAP would be so wonderful to the world in general,
then why isn't there a TCP/IP version of DAP ? (WebDAV doesn't really
count IMHO unless it's moved on recently). There's a standardised TCP/IP
version of every other application protocol.

Simon.

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