[Info-vax] VSI strategy for OpenVMS

[chris]

On 09/14/21 15:17, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 10:04 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 9/14/21 8:16 AM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 9/14/2021 12:41 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>> Right.  But if one downloads and uploads files from VMS, then a browser
>>>> on VMS allows one to avoid going through a third system.
>>>
>>> Most VMS systems runs something important and do not have
>>> access to download directly from the internet.
>>
>> I doubt that is true, but maybe.  And then you have so  many calling
>> for VMS to find a way back into academia.  Without a real desktop and
>> a decent browser that is never going to happen (not that it is likely
>> to happen anyway).  The user community you will find  in academia today
>> is not going to want to work with a CLI or vt-class editors.
>
> EDT/EVE will probaly not cut it today.
>
> But VS Code should be fine.
>
> And they can use that (VMS IDE).
>
> I don't think the students will have a problem with ssh and
> a bit of command line work.
>
> That is common other platforms as well.
>
> Windows (Core) and PowerShell.
>
> Linux various shells.
>
> The entire container world is very much command lines
> and json or yaml config files.
>
> The data guys mess around with files and Python scripts as well.
>
> I am obviously not talking about any student. But let us say those
> in a relevant field (computer science , software engineering etc.),
> among the 25% most curious and among the 50% most skilled.
>
> The same type of people that 35 years ago learned Macro-32.
>
> Arne
>


I'm still using makefiles for all my code, but quite have
three or four terminal / shell windows, file mgr and one or two
tabbed full screen editor windows open typically. Still
coommand line, but the gui provides so much more flexibility
and can't imagein going back to edt and vt class terminels,
far too restrictive.

One thing that might be useful for vms would be a vnc server
to allow remote access. use that a lot here for headless
machines and is more than fast enough with modern processors...

Chris