[Info-vax] VSI strategy for OpenVMS

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 9/14/2021 11:26 AM, chris wrote:
> On 09/14/21 15:17, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 9/14/2021 10:04 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> I doubt that is true, but maybe.  And then you have so  many calling
>>> for VMS to find a way back into academia.  Without a real desktop and
>>> a decent browser that is never going to happen (not that it is likely
>>> to happen anyway).  The user community you will find  in academia today
>>> is not going to want to work with a CLI or vt-class editors.
>>
>> EDT/EVE will probaly not cut it today.
>>
>> But VS Code should be fine.
>>
>> And they can use that (VMS IDE).
>>
>> I don't think the students will have a problem with ssh and
>> a bit of command line work.
>>
>> That is common other platforms as well.

> I'm still using makefiles for all my code, but quite have
> three or four terminal / shell windows, file mgr and one or two
> tabbed full screen editor windows open typically. Still
> coommand line, but the gui provides so much more flexibility
> and can't imagein going back to edt and vt class terminels,
> far too restrictive.

A mix of GUI and command line is common.

I do that on Windows and Linux as well.

Mostly JEdit (I do not like VS Code) and command windows.

> One thing that might be useful for vms would be a vnc server
> to allow remote access. use that a lot here for headless
> machines and is more than fast enough with modern processors...

Interesting thought.

I assume you want GUI not CLI. CLI should be fine with SSH.

As I remember VNC (been some years) then it duplicates
the GUI.

Many VMS systems will not have a graphic capable console, so
nothing to duplicate.

But it does not really need to duplicate. Being original
GUI would be fine.

A pseudo device connected to the "VNC like server"
exposing a GUI to the client could work.

I know that it is possible to tunnel X over SSH,
but I believe that is a complicated exercise in
todays network.

Start a "VNC like client" and getting a DECWindows
console could be cool.

I do do still not see the point in running a browser there.

But file manager or a GUI editor.

Not sure how much effort to make DECWindows use a pseudo
device connected to a TCP server, but it may
not be so bad.

Arne