[Info-vax] VSI strategy for OpenVMS

[Dave Froble]

On 9/14/2021 8:53 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2021-09-14 kl. 14:25, skrev chris:
>> On 09/14/21 13:16, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 9/14/2021 12:41 AM, Phillip Helbig (undress to reply) wrote:
>>>> In article <shopgc$b49$3 at gioia.aioe.org>, =?UTF-8?Q?Arne_Vajh=c3=b8j?=
>>>> <arne at vajhoej.dk> writes:
>>>>> On 9/13/2021 8:01 PM, chris wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/13/21 18:24, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Bill Gunshannon<bill.gunshannon at gmail.com>Â  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Any browser requires a desktop.  I thought that idea had been
>>>>>>>> abandoned?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No it doesn't, that is the beauty of DECWindows.  Mind you, there's
>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> no reason to have a browser on a machine without a desktop, other
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>> for diagnostic purposes and downloads.  But it's not required, and
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>> occasionally handy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does "occasionally handy" warrant an enormous effort to port a
>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>> browser
>>>>>>> to VMS?  I don't think so.  But if someone here wants to give it a
>>>>>>> try, have
>>>>>>> at it.  That's the beauty of open source.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A lot of system management is done via browsers, for years now. Also,
>>>>>> for software dev, nothing beats a windowing system with multiple
>>>>>> terminal windows and tabbed full screen editors. I used to be pretty
>>>>>> deft with edt on a vt terminal but those days are gone forever.
>>>>>> All the
>>>>>> ilom i've worked with works far better using a browser for access. A
>>>>>> sort of universal access method for systems. So yes, lack of a
>>>>>> browser
>>>>>> might be seen as a serious disadvantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Web interfaces are very common for admin stuff today.
>>>>>
>>>>> But usually running the browser on a PC will work fine.
>>>>
>>>> Right. But if one downloads and uploads files from VMS, then a browser
>>>> on VMS allows one to avoid going through a third system.
>>>
>>> Most VMS systems runs something important and do not have
>>> access to download directly from the internet.
>>>
>>> Arne
>>>
>>
>> A lot of excuses why a browser should not be included. It's a
>> standard tool that everyone takes for granted these days and is
>> universal in terms of cross platform operation and compatibility
>>
>> just one more thing that would help drag vms into the modern age..
>>
>> Chris
>>
>
> No, a web *browser* on VMS would do nothing positive for VMS.
> It is simply neither asked for or needed.
> Browsers are run on desktop environments.

Desktop?  No freaking way that RX2660 in the basement is getting 
anywhere near my desk.  Loud doesn't even begin to describe it.

:-)

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