[Info-vax] vax vms licenses

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2022-04-27 kl. 01:14, skrev Dave Froble:
> On 4/26/2022 5:57 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>> Den 2022-04-26 kl. 20:11, skrev Dave Froble:
>>> On 4/26/2022 1:09 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-26, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/26/2022 8:09 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-26, gah4 <gah4 at u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:28:10 AM UTC-7, John Dallman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As an additional logistical point, open-sourcing VMS while building it
>>>>>>>> requires using out-of-production Itanium servers would be suicidal: it
>>>>>>>> has to be sustainable on commodity hardware first.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DEC nicely released the 36 bit OS for us to use, though with only
>>>>>>> (from them) out of production hardware.   I am not so sure when
>>>>>>> emulators came out, but it would not have been hard to write one
>>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I suspect VAX is nicer to write an emulator for than Alpha or Itanium,
>>>>>>> but all are possible to keep VMS running on new hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are full system emulators for all architectures I am aware of
>>>>>> apart from Itanium, which should tell you something. I once spent a
>>>>>> weekend looking at the possibility of writing one, and came to the
>>>>>> conclusion of basically "forget that!".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with the initial help from Ski for the instruction set component,
>>>>>> writing an Itanium emulator would be a massive job and not all the
>>>>>> required bits and knowledge are freely available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example, you can no longer freely download the Itanium firmware
>>>>>> that such an emulator would require.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Simon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If emulators for building VMS is the issue, Alpha emulators already 
>>>>> exist.
>>>>> Don't need no stinkin itanic.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read the original quote above. Itanium is currently used for things
>>>> that Alpha cannot be used for.
>>>
>>> I don't see anything like that?
>>>
>>> What can itanic do that Alpha cannot?  It's a shared code base.
>>
>> You can lookup he SPD's or similar. There are a lot of tools
>> that are available on IA64 but not on Alpha.
>>
> 
> You don't seem to be missing them ...
> 
> :-)
> 

Why do you think that? And why do you think that our needs
are the same as for everyone else?