[Info-vax] vax vms licenses

[Dave Froble]

On 4/27/2022 3:09 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
> Den 2022-04-27 kl. 01:14, skrev Dave Froble:
>> On 4/26/2022 5:57 PM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2022-04-26 kl. 20:11, skrev Dave Froble:
>>>> On 4/26/2022 1:09 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-26, Dave Froble <davef at tsoft-inc.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2022 8:09 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-26, gah4 <gah4 at u.washington.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:28:10 AM UTC-7, John Dallman wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As an additional logistical point, open-sourcing VMS while building it
>>>>>>>>> requires using out-of-production Itanium servers would be suicidal: it
>>>>>>>>> has to be sustainable on commodity hardware first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DEC nicely released the 36 bit OS for us to use, though with only
>>>>>>>> (from them) out of production hardware.   I am not so sure when
>>>>>>>> emulators came out, but it would not have been hard to write one
>>>>>>>> by then.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I suspect VAX is nicer to write an emulator for than Alpha or Itanium,
>>>>>>>> but all are possible to keep VMS running on new hardware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are full system emulators for all architectures I am aware of
>>>>>>> apart from Itanium, which should tell you something. I once spent a
>>>>>>> weekend looking at the possibility of writing one, and came to the
>>>>>>> conclusion of basically "forget that!".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even with the initial help from Ski for the instruction set component,
>>>>>>> writing an Itanium emulator would be a massive job and not all the
>>>>>>> required bits and knowledge are freely available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, you can no longer freely download the Itanium firmware
>>>>>>> that such an emulator would require.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Simon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If emulators for building VMS is the issue, Alpha emulators already exist.
>>>>>> Don't need no stinkin itanic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read the original quote above. Itanium is currently used for things
>>>>> that Alpha cannot be used for.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see anything like that?
>>>>
>>>> What can itanic do that Alpha cannot?  It's a shared code base.
>>>
>>> You can lookup he SPD's or similar. There are a lot of tools
>>> that are available on IA64 but not on Alpha.
>>>
>>
>> You don't seem to be missing them ...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>
> Why do you think that? And why do you think that our needs
> are the same as for everyone else?

You have mentioned multiple times that your customer has 3 DS20E systems.

Of course, you may also have access to an itanic ...

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