[Info-vax] Ghostscript and HTML Browser on X86

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 12/15/22 02:32, Dave Froble wrote:
> On 12/14/2022 8:12 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>> On 12/14/22 19:12, Dave Froble wrote:
>>> On 12/14/2022 2:59 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 12/14/22 14:00, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-12-14, Bill Gunshannon <bill.gunshannon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you're trying to sell the C?? levels on the idea of keeping
>>>>>> VMS around, it does not go well telling them that in order to use
>>>>>> it effectively you will also need to have Linux or Windows around.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That doesn't make much sense. z/OS has PC-based development tools,
>>>>
>>>> VMS isn't zOS.  Most CEOs and CIOs have heard of zOS and IBM can the
>>>> same be said for VMS and VSI?
>>>>
>>>>> and many network or embedded devices require a web browser running
>>>>> elsewhere for management interface purposes.
>>>>>
>>>>> VMS should be regarded much more like an embedded device than it is
>>>>> at the moment when it comes to managing it, if you want it to survive
>>>>> in today's world.
>>>>>
>>>>> C?? levels don't have a problem with management of devices from a PC.
>>>>> In fact, it's a well-known and comfortable concept for them.
>>>>
>>>> No, but I imagine a lot of them do have a problem with that red-headed
>>>> step child called VMS and will use any excuse they can find to get rid
>>>> of it.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>> Why do you call it names?
>>
>> Not much on English idiom, are we.
>>
>>>
>>> Why would most people want to get rid of something that is doing it's 
>>> job, and
>>> doing it well?  Do you think they all have a death wish?
>>
>> One reason would be because they went to a conference, told
>> their peers what they were running, and got laughed at.  And,
>> yes, it does happen.
>>
>>>
>>> Most VMs systems that exist today exist because nothing could replace 
>>> them.
>>> Got to wonder how many other systems can make that claim.
>>
>> That is just plain ridiculous.  I expect most VMS systems continue to
>> exist today because of momentum, nothing more.  There is nothing that
>> is being done on VMS that could not be done on another system.
> 
> Ok.  Run VAX Basic on any other system.  For that matter, run Macro-32 
> on any other system.

I knew that was coming.  And that is the part that is ridiculous.
Running VAX BASIC or Macro-32 are not business tasks that anyone
actually need to do.  Accounting, Sales, Inventory.  Those are the
tasks that businesses need and they don't need VAX BASIC or Macro-32
to do them.

> 
> If one has apps that run only on VMS then ...

One needs to move into the current century because like it or not,
the IT world has moved on.

> 
> Yeah, anything can be re-implemented, but that costs, costs much more 
> than some will admit.  To what purpose?  What's the business sense?

Survival.

bill