[Info-vax] And another one bites the dust....

[David Wade]

On 27/02/2022 14:51, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
> On 2/27/22 08:43, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 2/27/2022 7:24 AM, Jan-Erik Söderholm wrote:
>>> Den 2022-02-27 kl. 02:47, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
>>>> On 2/17/2022 5:17 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 2/17/2022 4:41 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/17/2022 3:10 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2/17/2022 2:39 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/17/22 14:17, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2/17/2022 1:59 PM, Dave Froble wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to know just who and what the "industry" Arne refers 
>>>>>>>>>> to is? It's
>>>>>>>>>> always easy to use some nebulous term.  But just what is it? 
>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps it is a
>>>>>>>>>> "transfer", as in "transfer your money to us"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is all those companies using IT. And the decisions they make.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean all those people running zSystems with COBOL, DB2 and CICS
>>>>>>>> that actually make up the largest majority of the money makers 
>>>>>>>> in the
>>>>>>>> world?  The ones who have been told for at least 4 decades that the
>>>>>>>> mainframe is dead.  Oh yeah, and so is COBOL.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The IT industry also include those.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But in the big picture they are a tiny part of the IT industry. And
>>>>>>> not only a tiny part but also a shrinking part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Arne, when you offer an opinion, please identify it as "opinion".
>>>>>
>>>>> That mainframe is a tiny portion of IT today is not an
>>>>> opinion - it is a fact. You can start by looking at
>>>>> sales figures.
>>>>
>>>> As an illustration: Fujitsu will stop selling mainframes
>>>> in 2030 and stop support in 2035.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.pcgamer.com/50-of-transactions-were-fraudulent-when-steam-accepted-bitcoin-for-payments-says-gabe-newell/ 
>>>>
>>>> (and they are also ditching Solaris/Sparc in 2029 and 2034)
>>>
>>> I do not see that the link supports that claim.
>>
>> Copy paste error. Sorry.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/25/fujitsu_signposts_the_end_for
>>
> 
> I don't think it says what people are expected to believe it says.
> Looks like more business for IBM as a small player not making much
> profit exits the market.  The only two large players in the mainframe
> world are IBM and Unisys and Unisys only has a fraction of that
> market.  IBM is not going away any time soon.
> 
> bill
> 
> 

I can't see it meaning any more business for IBM. I believe that a lot 
of Fujitsu mainframe was the UK government or other UK companies that 
bought ICL kit, because the had no choice, and ICL was then bought by 
Fujitsu.

The ICL VME environment is totally different to IBM mainframes and its 
as complex to migrate it to IBM as it is to move to Linux or Windows.

However its not clear to me what the above means for VME which Fujitsu 
seems to have re-defined from "Virtual Machine Environment" as "Virtual 
Managed Environment" but it still seems to run the original code..

https://www.ukauthority.com/articles/hmrc-sticks-with-fujitsu-for-virtual-environment/

very odd, perhaps Fujitsu no longer considers this to be "mainframes....

Dave