[Info-vax] Where is EISNER:: and who funds it?

[alanfe...@gmail.com]

On Monday, January 3, 2022 at 8:49:06 AM UTC-5, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2022-01-02 22:41, alanfe... at gmail.com wrote: 
> > On Sunday, January 2, 2022 at 1:41:08 PM UTC-5, Johnny Billquist wrote: 
> >> Trying to stay out, but what the hell... 
> >> On 2022-01-02 18:58, alanfe... at gmail.com wrote: 
> >>> I made my comments about the US because people (at least Jan-Erik and Johnny Billquist) were bashing the US because it uses Fahrenheit, and then later, which I'm pretty sure I didn't bring into the discussion, the US Customary system of units (and, by association, the Imperial and English systems). All I was saying is that even though the US uses Fahrenheit, it still did many great things. F didn't hold us back. That's it! I meant no denigration of other countries; I was simply defending my own. Hmmm, I think I read that somewhere before? No problem. I miss things, too. I often joke, "You only need to say it twice"! 
> >> I wasn't bashing the US. I was bashing you, because you fail to 
> >> understand the difference between mass and force. And I think that 
> > 
> > That's _your opinion_ and I'm well aware of it, and thanks for telling me for the umpteenth time. It's been noted and discarded for the umpteenth time. 
> > 
> >> switching to C from F would be beneficial, but I understand it's 
> >> unlikely to happen. Mostly because of people like you. 
> > 
> > Sir, your opinion that C is superior to F has been noted. And I don't really care.
> Then stop dropping my name into your diatribes. If you hadn't thrown my 
> name in and attributing me to saying things I didn't, I wouldn't have 
> commented.

Fine. I was merely summing up the thread, but I'll not mention your name in such a manner henceforth. You clearly said that Americans would benefit from using C instead of F. The clear implication is that Americans are foolish not to. Seems like America-bashing to me. You claim it's not. Fine. I "bragged" about America only to show that F hasn't held us back, that a country who is "backward, as they still use F," has still done some great things NTL. And to reiterate, Europe has plenty to brag about. And what temperature scales laypeople use has nothing to do with it.

> >>> Again, I "bragged" about the US only because people here were bashing it. I don't recall ever initiating any hostility or bragging here. But I did respond to hostility against me by others! 
> > 
> > You were saying Americans are foolish to not switch to C. Seems like America-bashing to me! This is in _addition_ to your bashing me. Did I bash you back except to say that nobody gives a flying petunia about your lbs vs lbf nonsense? Nobody cares, and like I said before, I am not going to argue and explain all the subtleties that we all here already know about mass and weight.
> Are you having an argument with yourself now? You are making a comment 
> on what you wrote... 

No. Explain.
 
> And I'm sure a lot of people cares about the difference between mass 
> (lbs) and force (lbf), even if you don't grasp the concept. 

_Your_ opinion, which is wrong. As for those who do care, I don't care about them. 

I'm sure few very people even know about, let alone care about, lbf. Like it or not, Americans use lbs. and it's likely to stay that way for quite awhile -- right or wrong. Any nobody cares except you. You really are pretty passionate about it, no? And they're talking about how much they weigh, not what force they are exerting on the scale. CONTEXT MATTERS!

Equating knowledge of silly arcane units with knowledge of mass vs. weight or force or whatnot is, well, silly. OK, I'll throw you a bone: I'll give you the bit about lbs. vs. lbf. OK? Are you happy now? I guess, by your "logic," I have suddenly acquired the knowledge of mass vs. weight. NO! The fact that I didn't until now still doesn't mean I didn't know the difference between mass and weight and forces and whatnot before that. Also, I don't normally pull rank, but I am a physicist by training, for Chrissake. I think I know the difference. Couldn't have become a physicist if I didn't. And and as for the words weigh and weight (which is how much you weigh!), as I've already illustrated: CONTEXT MATTERS. I'll rehash it for you: You can go to the moon, and you'll weigh less, but you won't have lost any weight! As I said, CONTEXT MATTERS.

CONTEXT MATTERS: You can go to the moon, and you'll weigh less, but you won't have lost any weight! As I said, CONTEXT MATTERS.

Still further even yet again, with lbs vs lbf: NOBODY CARES. 

You said, _in effect_, ~"You clearly don't know the difference between weight and mass and force and whatnot solely based on your comments of lbs. vs. lbf.~" Some logic. A pretty, pretty weak case! Knowledge or lake thereof of arcane units does not mean anything about an understanding weight vs. mass. When my parents were dating, my father, who grew up and learned English in Europe, said that either he was taught wrong or that Americans don't use correct English. My mother responded, "Not me!" By your logic, this implies that she doesn't know the difference between a subject and an object. From 

https://www.learnersdictionary.com/qa/When-to-Use-Me-and-I-

"It is very common for native speakers to use "me" in subject position and "I" in object position. This is fine in casual speech but should be avoided in formal writing. The following examples are some ways people might use "me" and "I" in speech."

Well, the same applies to mass and weight and weigh and whatnot.

And still yet again, weight is a word whose meaning depends on the context. How often do I have to repeat that? Oh, and there's also informal usage, as I mention above. I guess you weren't aware of such a thing. 

Still yet further even also yet again, with lbs vs lbf: NOBODY CARES. Except you and maybe some engineers. Good for you and them. 

Oh, and using C and F in place of their full names is also technically wrong. But it's good enough for me. I have no problem with it.
 
> Johnny

Alan