[Info-vax] Taking a break - Open Source on OpenVMS Conference Calls Resume

[Arne Vajhøj]

On 7/3/2022 4:29 PM, seasoned_geek wrote:
> On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 9:56:51 AM UTC-5, John Dallman wrote:
>> In article <4ae4de33-ba0d-403a... at googlegroups.com>,
>> rol... at logikalsolutions.com (seasoned_geek) wrote:
>>> So far, everyone I know that does phone apps and used to use QT
>>> has jumped to Dart. They are writing their apps using Dart on
>>> Fuchsia.
>> How many organisations and apps is that? Qt hasn't exactly dominated UI
>> in smartphone apps AFAIK.
> 

> I don't know, but it was quite a few. They had a lot of developers
> that knew nothing so they loved QML. If you are getting a phone app
> for Ford or one of the other major American automotive brands you are
> getting a Qt app because Ford standardized on it for both the
> infotainment system any any apps they ship. An exact number I don't
> know.
Both Android and iOS apps are counted in millions.

The most common for Android is Kotlin and Java. The most common for
iOS is Swift and Objective-C. Because that is what Google and
Apple pushes.

Next tier is stuff like PhoneGap/Cordova and Xamarin/MAUI.

Qt is niche.

>>> Microsoft is going to sell a Windows Desktop that installs on the
>>> Linux of your choice, just like KDE, Gnome, etc.
>> Will it run existing Windows programs? Doing that requires having a large
>> fraction of the Windows OS, over and above the desktop.
>>
> Not really no. MS has been migrating to DOT-NOT-EVERYWHERE or is it
> DOT-NOT-ANYWHERE for years. It's how they have been straddling the
> Apple BSD based OS.
If the applications run on any .NET platform, then that would make
it a lot easier.

Unfortunately there are a lot of Windows specific pieces.

> Just what "programs" does Microsoft actually have?

The desktop OS used by almost all businesses (Windows).
The office package used by almost all businesses (Office).
Their Chrome clone (Edge).
Two of the most widely used IDE's (VS and VSC).
The mail system used by almost all business (Exchange).
The intranet system used by most business (SharePoint)
One of the most used databases (SQLServer).
Their web server (IIS/ASP.NET).
The most used ERP and CRM package among mid size business (Dynamics).
One of the most used devops packages (Azure DevOps).
+a lot more

> The vendors in the Microsoft store are all going to be screwed, yes.
> Linux developers will need for Qt, CopperSpice, wxWidgets,
> insert-heavy-cross-platform-UI-library-here, to support the new
> desktop. Most of them are still scrambling to get something that
> actually works with Wayland right now.
Qt and wxWidgets are niche for those with special requirements
or stuck in the the early 00's.

There are so many alternatives today. To pick a random one: Electron.

> Microsoft and quite a few others are in the process of eliminating
> the "personal computer." They all want you 100% connected to the
> Internet paying for subscriptions. They want a dumb browser terminal
> that supports touch/mouse/keyboard and has no local apps. Without an
> Internet connection what you have is a brick. They are pushing the
> "personal browser" device. >
> Has anyone looked under the hood for Windows 11? I haven't, but I
> hear there is almost nothing you can do without an Internet
> connection.
True.

That is the direction.

Arne