[Info-vax] Taking a break - Open Source on OpenVMS Conference Calls Resume

[seasoned_geek]

On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 8:33:33 PM UTC-5, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 4:29 PM, seasoned_geek wrote: 
> > On Sunday, July 3, 2022 at 9:56:51 AM UTC-5, John Dallman wrote: 
> >> In article <4ae4de33-ba0d-403a... at googlegroups.com>, 
> >> rol... at logikalsolutions.com (seasoned_geek) wrote: 
> 
> > I don't know, but it was quite a few. They had a lot of developers 
> > that knew nothing so they loved QML. If you are getting a phone app 
> > for Ford or one of the other major American automotive brands you are 
> > getting a Qt app because Ford standardized on it for both the 
> > infotainment system any any apps they ship. An exact number I don't 
> > know.
> Both Android and iOS apps are counted in millions. 
> 
> The most common for Android is Kotlin and Java. The most common for 
> iOS is Swift and Objective-C. Because that is what Google and 
> Apple pushes. 
> 
> Next tier is stuff like PhoneGap/Cordova and Xamarin/MAUI. 
> 
> Qt is niche.

Seems like an awful lot of phone app developers, especially those who develop cross platform phone apps are hanging out in the qt-interest list for your assessment to be valid.

> Unfortunately there are a lot of Windows specific pieces.
> > Just what "programs" does Microsoft actually have?

Just to clarify, the part you cut out was what programs does Microsoft have that currently have to install?

> The office package used by almost all businesses (Office). 

This would be incorrect. Lots of my medical device customers and some I haven't yet worked for, you know, tiny companies like Hill Rom and Baxter, have developers using Google DOCS. A big chunk are also migrating to OnlyOffice.

https://www.onlyoffice.com/blog/2018/07/5-million-onlyoffice-users-who-are-they-pt-2/

Browser only don't need to install anything pay for "secured" private storage.

Quite a number of paying for 365 subscriptions and "secured" private storage as well.

You don't __have__ to install an office package to have an office package

> Their Chrome clone (Edge). 

And there are countless browsers for Linux. Opera is the current Chrome clone on Linux using the chrome libraries.


> Two of the most widely used IDE's (VS and VSC). 
1) that statement is false. Every IDE user thinks their favorite IDE is "the most widely used"
2) VSCode has a Linux version. The identity theft collection aspect honked the Linux world off so much that a person/team ripped out the identity theft data collection parts and created VSCodium.
https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium

> The mail system used by almost all business (Exchange). 

I have only worked at one company in the past 10 years that used Microsoft Exchange. I have worked at numerous companies that pay Google to private label GMail for them. Others host their own non-Exchange email server.

More to the point, the email server does not get installed on the desktop. Just an email client. There have to be close to a hundred email front ends for Linux. Thunderbird exists on numerous platforms.

> The intranet system used by most business (SharePoint) 

I haven't encountered SharePoint at a client site since my last gig at Navistar roughly 15 years ago. SharePoint was soooo 1990s even then. Most of the SANS come with their own software. Some companies use SUSE Enterprise Linux Server, others are just using Samba shares. Most seem to be paying for cloud hosting and setting up wikis.

Again, not installed on the desktop


> One of the most used databases (SQLServer). 
Not even close!

And it doesn't get installed on the desktop

> Their web server (IIS/ASP.NET). 

1) I don't know of anyone actually running that
2) Not installed on the desktop

> The most used ERP and CRM package among mid size business (Dynamics). 

Not even close to true, but live in your fantasy.

Again, does not get installed on the desktop

> One of the most used devops packages (Azure DevOps). 

Wouldn't know. Professionals don't touch AGILE or do DevOps.

> Qt and wxWidgets are niche for those with special requirements 
> or stuck in the the early 00's. 

Really?
So, when you get cancer and they send you home with a fanny pack containing the B. Braun infusion pump I helped create, that's a niche market?

When you are rushed into ER and they hook you up to this vitals monitor
https://www.welchallyn.com/content/welchallyn/americas/en/products/categories/patient-monitoring/vital-signs-devices/connex-spot-monitor.html
while trying to save your life that is a niche market? Yeah, I helped bring that one to life too.

When you hop behind the wheel of a Ford, any ford made since Microsoft automotive got fired over their Sync debacle, the dash controls and infotainment system are a niche market?

When a farmer gets into the cab of a John Deere tractor and has everything on this display
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fthumbs.tractorfan.nl%2Fgroot%2Fj%2Fjohn-deere%2F535799-intreur-john-deere.jpg&f=1&nofb=1
that's a niche market?

When Ford and half a dozen other automobile OEMs tell you to "download our app for your vehicle" so you can remote unlock, remote start, and God knows what else that's a niche? Roughly half of these buyers will have an imbecile phone and download the app.

https://fordauthority.com/fmc/ford-motor-company-sales-numbers/ford-sales-numbers/ford-f-series-sales-numbers/

So, the "millions of apps" include hundreds of thousands of games that only the creator and two buddies ever download and play, those are "mainstream" and 20-70+K downloads per month of the OEM phone app written using Qt is niche? Is that correct?

We won't even get into discussing the stuff layered on top of Qt like Felgo.
https://felgo.com/apps

I just want to find out your definition of a "niche" because this is sounding very 1980s with all of those people claiming "Microsoft operating systems ran on 80% of desktops" when INTEL based PCs were roughly 50% of "desktops."