[Info-vax] For sale: VAXstation 4000/90 128MB Fully Working and Tested

[Bill Gunshannon]

On 7/9/22 19:42, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 8:13 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 7/2/2022 8:26 AM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 20:41, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/2022 6:45 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>>> Most of the Fortune 500 still use mainframes and COBOL. Most major 
>>>>> banks
>>>>> still use mainframes and COBOL.  Credit Card companies.  Airlines.  
>>>>> All
>>>>> of the major automobile companies.  All of the major Aircraft 
>>>>> companies.
>>>>> The Government at all levels except maybe local who never made it past
>>>>> the PC.
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of Cobol code running. And there will continue to
>>>> be for decades.
>>>> But the new stuff are done with other languages.
> 
>>>                              When you look at percentages ot languages
>>> used COBOL seems to be on the decline.  But if you classify work by its
>>> actual value, well, Candy Crush wasn't written in COBOL and neither was
>>> Minecraft.  But when it comes to banking, insurance and other really
>>> needed application....
>>
>> Cobol is becoming a pretty small part of what the financial sector use.
>>
>> They prefer C++, Java, Python etc. for new projects.
>>
>>>> And companies slowly migrate off. Not many, maybe just a few percent
>>>> per year. But it accumulate over many years.
>>>
>>> Very few of the important ones are migrating off and many of those
>>> that do migrate into failures.
>>
>> Some succeed.
>>
>> And it accumulates.
> 
> A recent case: Fedex.
> 
> They are moving from Cobol/IBM mainframe/own data center
> to "cloud native"/Azure & Oracle cloud.
> 
> The CIO announced when this thread was going on that
> they has already moved 80% of applications and that
> the remaining 20% would all be done in 2024.
> 
> He did not mention what "cloud native" covers,
> but elsewhere it is revealed to be:
> - Angular for client side
> - Java and Spring Boot for applications
> - kubernetes and docker for infrastructure
> 
> Which is not really surprising. In the 1980's nobody got fired
> for choosing IBM. Today nobody get fired (in a large conservative
> company) for choosing above stack.
> 

There has been some talk of this in Mainframe groups.  Can't wait to see
how it turns out.  Diehard VMS advocates should be very concerned.  The
same logic applies to their systems.

bill