[Info-vax] Special deals on Tape Drives

[Jan-Erik Söderholm]

Den 2022-03-08 kl. 02:53, skrev Arne Vajhøj:
> On 3/7/2022 8:42 PM, kemain.nospam at gmail.com wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Arne Vajhøj via 
>>> Info-vax
>>> On 3/7/2022 5:05 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/22 13:57, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> The problem with that is that VMS isn't easy to manage by current
>>>>> standards although it certainly was by the standards of 25 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Simon, I pretty much agreed with what you said except for this one part.
>>>>
>>>> 25 years ago I managed Window, Unix and VMS.  Had a nice VAX Cluster
>>>> and about 100 users. VMS was by far the hardest to manage. I could do
>>>> Unix and even windows with no documentation provided by the vendor.
>>>> VMS was impossible without The Grey Wall.  And, if you had
>>>> documentation but found it inadequate there was a wealth of third
>>>> party documentation available.   lot of it free.  What was there for
>>> VMS?  The Grey Wall.
>>>>
>>>> I had management tools for Windows and Unix like CFengine.  For VMS, I
>>>> had The Grey Wall.  Do I really need to go on?  Heck, still had RSTS
>>>> running in those days and even it was easier to manage than VMS.
>>>>
>>>> And, the worst part of it is that nothing has changed other than more
>>>> and maybe better tools and documentation for Windows and Unix.
>>>
>>> I must admit that I cannot follow this.
>>>
>>> VMS system management is old and it shows.
>>>
>>
>> Better late than never 😊
>>
>> <https://vmssoftware.com/products/webui/>
>> <https://vmssoftware.com/openkits/i64opensource/VSI-I64VMS-WEBUI-V0400-2-1-RELEASE-NOTES.PDF> 
>>
> 
> I am aware of it.
> 
> But it is not my impression that it is widely used.

Can't use it since it requires Python 3.


> 
> And one obvious explanation is that maybe the VMS system managers
> doesn't see the need because they are OK with what they got.
> 
> To me GUI's for system administration is really only useful
> in those cases where it is a non-IT person that has to do the
> stuff.
> 
> Arne
>