[Info-vax] Special deals on Tape Drives

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>From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Arne Vajhøj via
>Info-vax
>Sent: March-07-22 9:54 PM
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>Cc: Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk>
>Subject: Re: [Info-vax] Special deals on Tape Drives
>
>On 3/7/2022 8:42 PM, kemain.nospam at gmail.com wrote:
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Info-vax <info-vax-bounces at rbnsn.com> On Behalf Of Arne Vajhøj
>>> via Info-vax On 3/7/2022 5:05 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
>>>> On 3/7/22 13:57, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>> The problem with that is that VMS isn't easy to manage by current
>>>>> standards although it certainly was by the standards of 25 years ago.
>>>>
>>>> Simon, I pretty much agreed with what you said except for this one part.
>>>>
>>>> 25 years ago I managed Window, Unix and VMS.  Had a nice VAX Cluster
>>>> and about 100 users. VMS was by far the hardest to manage. I could
>>>> do Unix and even windows with no documentation provided by the
>vendor.
>>>> VMS was impossible without The Grey Wall.  And, if you had
>>>> documentation but found it inadequate there was a wealth of third
>>>> party documentation available.   lot of it free.  What was there for
>>> VMS?  The Grey Wall.
>>>>
>>>> I had management tools for Windows and Unix like CFengine.  For VMS,
>>>> I had The Grey Wall.  Do I really need to go on?  Heck, still had
>>>> RSTS running in those days and even it was easier to manage than VMS.
>>>>
>>>> And, the worst part of it is that nothing has changed other than
>>>> more and maybe better tools and documentation for Windows and Unix.
>>>
>>> I must admit that I cannot follow this.
>>>
>>> VMS system management is old and it shows.
>>>
>>
>> Better late than never 😊
>>
>> <https://vmssoftware.com/products/webui/>
>> <https://vmssoftware.com/openkits/i64opensource/VSI-I64VMS-WEBUI-
>V0400
>> -2-1-RELEASE-NOTES.PDF>
>
>I am aware of it.
>
>But it is not my impression that it is widely used.
>

Given it is only in the last year that VSI has made these recent versions available, it is not surprising it is not well known. 

I suspect even most comp.os.vms readers were not aware they could use a modern GUI to manage their OpenVMS systems (albeit not A64 yet).

>And one obvious explanation is that maybe the VMS system managers
>doesn't see the need because they are OK with what they got.
>
>To me GUI's for system administration is really only useful in those cases
>where it is a non-IT person that has to do the stuff.
>
>Arne
>

Tell that to all the Windows Admin's - how many do Windows sysadmin duties from the command prompt?

Ever try to admin AD from a command prompt? What about file explorer vs. command prompt to move files around?

Granted, there are typically more advanced things that one can typically do at the command CLI, but for most common Sysadmin activities, most sysadmins would prefer a GUI.

Key point is that this is an additional option for modern operations / help desk staff to manage OpenVMS X86/I64 (hopefully A64?) systems in a way they are used to i.e. via a GUI.


Regards,

Kerry Main
Kerry dot main at starkgaming dot com




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