[Info-vax] macOS Terminal app. Numeric keypad fails for EDT.

[alanfe...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 6:19:01 PM UTC-4, VAXman- wrote:
> In article <af1f4659-efb8-428d... at googlegroups.com>, "alanfe... at gmail.com" <alanfe... at gmail.com> writes: 
> >On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 7:04:23 AM UTC-4, VAXman- wrote:
> >> In article <fc97f4a2-6e47-4dc8... at googlegroups.com>, "alanfe... at gmail.com= 
> >" <alanfe... at gmail.com> writes:=20 
> >> >Got my new Mac. Old one was running Mojave. Terminal on EISNER works fin= 
> >e f=3D=20 
> >> >or editing. My new Mac is running Monterey. I run Terminal, open a file = 
> >in =3D=20 
> >> >EDT, and the numbers on the numeric keypad do nothing. They also do noth= 
> >ing=3D=20 
> >> > at a DCL prompt. Also, the PF1-4 keys work from F1-F4, and F12 is BEGIN= 
> >NIN=3D=20 
> >> >G OF LINE.=20 
> >> >=20 
> >> >Is there some secret setting I'm missing? Or do I need a 3rd-party app? = 
> >And=3D
> >> > if so, can anyone here recommend one? Thanks!
> >> I'm still on Big Sewer and regretting ever allowing that update.=20 
> >>=20 
> >> I never really cared for the Terminal app. It functions when in a pinch b= 
> >ut I=20 
> >> have been using iTerm/iTerm2 for years. When I need to, I "$ CREATE/TERMI= 
> >NAL"=20 
> >> because I have XQuartz installed. The keyboard has never been any problem= 
> > but=20 
> >> now that you've reported this, there's another reason to never upgrade ag= 
> >ain.=20 
> >>=20 
> >> --=20 
> >> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG= 
> >=20 
> >>=20
> >> I speak to machines with the voice of humanity. 
> >
> >Yeah, macOS upgrades always seem to cause something cool to break or go bye= 
> >-bye. But my internal hard drive died, not easy to replace, the machine is = 
> 
> I wouldn't have updated to Big Sewer in the first place. It was an accidental 
> update. I didn't want to go there because I had a number of 32-bit rocketry 
> apps that were never updated. I was able to overcome most of that save for 1 
> that reads the data off of my altimeters. :( I got my son's wife's sister's 
> old Mac now when has an older OSX so I can read my altimeter. Apple really 
> dicked up some apps I came accustomed to using. Thw weather widget is AFAIAC, 
> completely useless. If I want the current weather, I can look out the window; 
> the only windows I use.

My own weather widget went south long ago. Just shows hyphens where there should be numbers.

But I really liked the calendar widget. I could easily zoom through years and months by holding the appropriate arrow key down. Or press the Home key to return to the current month. But it, too, is gone.

> 
> >7 years old, meaning Apple doesn't make parts for it anymore and will refus= 
> >e to service it even for money, and the new M1 chip should definitely come = 
> 
> I have a 2014 MacBook Air I use most of the time. I've replaced the keyboard 
> in it twice already and I just put in a new battery. Parts are readily avail- 
> able if you search the internet. 

Yes, but that's probably risky. I suppose I could have replaced the drive with one from OWC and one of their DIY kits, but some jobs are not for newbies like me! And I think this was one of them. And my Time Machine restores didn't work quite right. A lot of files in the Movies and Music folders were missing. Yeah, I had to make and check lists of all the files to be sure they all made it over!

> >in handy with NeatVideo noise reduction in my movies! (Final Cut has its ow= 
> >n Noise Reduction function (which, IIRC, is also quite slow), but it doesn'= 
> >t work that well, and you can't fully turn off the sharpness setting, which=
> > seems to be what makes the result look a little grungy.
> I process video on the big Mac in the bedroom. Mostly my wife's Mac for the 
> taxes and her use, but it processes the video quickly. I don't touch her Mac 
> otheriwse because it's for the TurbotTax which seems to need the latest and 
> greatest to function each taxing season. So no matter what the cost, she gets 
> what she needs because I would off myself trying to figure out my way through 
> the government's I-will-gracously-be-your-victim-of-theft documents. 

Yes, just editing or exporting videos or uploading them to a website  is fine. I'm talking about applying noise reduction and Neat Video's dust and scratch filter. They take some time to do their thing. And if you have to mask something frame-by-frame, you have to fly partly blind or struggle with painfully slow dragging. Hopefully, if I ever have to do that again, it should be smooth sailing with the M1. Again, just editing video is fine with a 7-year-old machine. It's the NR and DAS that takes a long time. Something like 1/8th X or worse. I think the best I ever got was about 1/6th X. With the M1 I assume it should go a lot faster. Also, I was fixing some nasty problems with a Super 8 film a friend and I made in 1976-1977.

> 
> 
> >VAXMAN, since you have Big Sur (uh, Big Sewer), do you have the same proble= 
> >m where ALL the shortcuts in the drop-down menus from the menu bar are all = 
> >grayed out? At first I thought it was a bug and their possibly non-existent= 
> > QA department was asleep at the wheel. Then, on the Apple "Support Communi= 
> >ties" board, someone said it was by design. Say what? That is so hard to be= 
> >lieve, I ruled it out without even consciously thinking about it. I asked w= 
> >hy anyone would want it that way. The poster responded, Why would anyone no= 
> >t want it that way? A troll? An idiot? In order to stay in the good graces = 
> >of the Apple police, I pretended it was a serious statement and proceeded t=
> >o explain how stupid it is.
> It depends upon what app is active. Finder seems to have the grayest menus. 

OMG, so Big Sewer also has all the shortcuts grayed out menus? I guess Apple is embarrassed to walk that back. F___ers. Why anyone would spend even a microsecond on such a stupid thing -- and make things worse, to boot! -- is beyond me.

> 
> >Someone else said it might be as old as Big Sur. So Sir, are ALL the shortc= 
> >uts -- and I do mean including the active ones where the English part isn't= 
> > grayed out -- grayed out? Or was that introduced in Catalina or Monterey, =
> >if you happen to know?
> FYI, it must have been an evil spirit I aroused this morning when I replied 
> to your post. The MacBook Air kernel paniced and it would not reboot. I put 
> it in to target disk mode and my youngest copied my VAXman folder over onto 
> his Mac. I then had to reinstall Big Sewer. I was hoping it would fix a bug 
> I've reported to Apple that they say that they can not reproduce. Something 
> is running and eating disk space. The activity monitor shows nothing. If I 
> don't reboot daily to free up 10s of gigs, I'm in big trouble quickly. It 
> appears to be something writing temp files but I can't find it. Rebooting 
> it causes all of the disk (SSD) consumed to be freed. 

Yikes! Sorry to hear about that. Have you tried the "Apple Support Communities"? Sometimes they are of help. I had a problem after my hard drive die that the Mac wouldn't mount the swapfile. I posted there, but to no avail. After some serious googling, I finally found the remedy.
 
> >BTW, Terminal has worked fine for me, once they finally allowed me to map C= 
> >lear, =3D, /, and * to the PFs. Actually, there is one problem: EDT (and I = 
> >would guess other editors -- I should try them!) full screen mode wipes out= 
> > part of the history buffer! Other than that, I've customized the font and =
> >am pretty happy with it. It's free and it's already there. 
> > 
> >BTW, "Big Sewer" is definitely funnier than "WEENdoze."
> FWIW, Safari, after today's reinstall, will no longer permit me to allow or 
> setup auto-play for some websites I access. I've re-re-installed Safari to 
> no avail. I've been working on a website and now I need to fire up Firefux 
> to hear any sounds. SMH. 

I never liked Safari. Too mouse-insistent, or keyboard-unfriendly. With FF, the old IE, and maybe some other browsers you can do Cmd-F, type in the text of the link, hit Return, then the link with that name would be focused, and you can just press Esc and Return to "click" the link! Well, in some cases it doesn't work, like when the link is a graphic. A workaround that sometimes works is to Find and focus on something near to it. Then tabbing might get you there. Sometimes you have to tab and shift-tab back to get it to work. And there was something slightly better about it on FF than on IE, but I can't remember what. It also worked on Chrome, but the fine users in the Final Cut group in the "support communities" warned me that Chrome is really bad for video and even other things on Macs. See https://chromeisbad.com/ for details, so I can't check if is still works. Chrome doesn't offer case-sensitive searching anyway. I tried it mostly because it worked better than FF on YouTube at the time (ca. 2000, +\- a few years). 
> 
> Lately, it seems OSX has more quirks than it has works. ;)

Well, it's a little more keyboard-friendly than before. And the mouse doesn't slow down more than you do when you slow down. Snow Leopard had that problem big time. I hated it!

Final Cut is pretty keyboard-friendly. It's surprising how much you can do with it without the mouse. But dragging things requires the mouse, and you have to drag things around a bit. But it's got dozens and dozens of shortcuts!
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> VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)ORG 
> 
> I speak to machines with the voice of humanity.

Alan