[Info-vax] Intel proposal to simplify x86-64

[Egidius Pfanzelter]

On Friday, June 9, 2023 at 1:11:36 AM UTC+2, John Reagan wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 8:14:56 PM UTC-4, Arne Vajhøj wrote: 
> > On 6/7/2023 8:00 PM, Chris Townley wrote: 
> > > On 08/06/2023 00:29, Arne Vajhøj wrote: 
> > >> I suspect that VMS editor choice somewhat correlates 
> > >> with year of birth. 
> > >> 
> > >> TECO EDT EVE VMS IDE 
> > >> -1960 few/none most some none 
> > >> 1960-1970 none some most few 
> > >> 1970-1980 none few most some 
> > >> 1980-1990 none none most some 
> > >> 1990- none none some most 
> > >> 
> > >> :-) 
> > >> 
> > >> And if VSI has the same impression then they know what to focus 
> > >> on to be ready for in 5 years, in 10 years and in 20 years! 
> > > 
> > > I would guess that many more would EVE since 1990, and possibly LSE as 
> > > well, which of course is based in EVE 
> > I totally forgot about LSE. But I guess we can lump EVE and LSE 
> > together as they are from the same era. 
> > 
> > I don't think LSE ever became super popular. Not that great. And 
> > in the old days pretty expensive. 
> > > Although I did have a sysadmin who even tried to load Vi(m) onto out 
> > > Itanium in the late noughties. Silly bu$$er! 
> > There has always been a few vi and emacs users on VMS. 
> > 
> > Arne
> LSE is my daily editor on OpenVMS. The x86 compilers (other than C++) still have their 
> /DIAGNOSTICS support to make LSE .DIA files. 
> 
> LSE doesn't use EVE exactly. LSE uses TPU with a few additions. LSE is written partially 
> in BLISS and partially in TPU. There might be some of the EVE TPU that is also duplicated 
> in LSE, I don't know that history.
LSE has two command languages, the "OpenVMS" one (similar to DCL) and the "portable" one, which was added later on. The portable command language works the same way as EVE and I believe that the functions behind it have been copied from EVE. Not sure to what extent and since I'm at home I have no access to a running system right now, but I have "ported" a few EVE functions like box cut/paste to LSE and changed/extended a number of LSE functions (to be found in the LSEDIT notes conference if someone has access to it).