[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Dave Froble]

On 6/20/2023 11:09 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> On 2023-06-20 14:51, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2023-06-19, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2023 1:43 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>> That's all well and good Rob, but what happens when China grows a bit
>>>> stronger and then decides to show you who the boss is by cutting off
>>>> your imports ?
>>>
>>> Americans can no longer get cheap furniture, cheap tools and all
>>> sorts of cheap junk from China.
>>>
>>> They will survive.
>>>
>>
>> They also can't get all the medical supplies and critical equipment
>> now produced in China, and which would need a _serious_ amount of time
>> to rebuild that infrastructure within the US.
>
> Very little of that, I'd say.
>
>> Are you sure about the above ?
>
> I would definitely agree with Arne here.
>
>>>>                                                      That's where the US
>>>> currently gets most of its bullying power from.
>>>
>>> It doesn't really give any power.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, it does. The US is currently using its power to force its allies
>> to also impose sanctions. In a more general way, the US imposes a threat
>> of being frozen out of the US banking system to get its way.
>
> ??? Sanctions on Russia have not been forced on by the US. You might better
> blame the UK in that case, which has been leading this more. Or a bunch of
> former eastern european countries, who have various past bad experiences with
> Russia, and know all too well what it's all about.
>
> What other contries are there sanctions against? North Korea. Seriously - you
> think that the US bullied other countries into those sanctions?
> Syria? Iran?
>
> What planet are you living on?
>
>>>> In the old days, your military had to worry about protecting your
>>>> industrial base from an enemy. These days, all your enemy needs to
>>>> do is to threaten to stop sending you the goods they now produce
>>>> for you.
>>>
>>> If the goods are critical yes.
>>>
>>> But China export is mostly consumer stuff.
>>>
>>
>> So what happened to the supply chains during Covid was an illusion ?
>> (And that was with China still trying to meet its obligations!)
>
> There has been a major issue with semiconductor supplies since Covid started.
> But as have been pointed out, these are not very China specific in any sense.
> Basically, production and transports in general have been hit, causing chain
> effects. Not much tied to China at all.
>
>> BTW, where did the Covid-specific medical supplies come from ?
>
> Are you talking about all the face masks that were substandard and not usable?
> Yeah, there were a whole bunch of those delivered to Sweden from China. I don't
> think not having them delivered would have made things worse.
>
>   Johnny
>

It's so much fun to pick on Simon ...

:-)

As for semiconductors and the auto industry, the auto industry caused that 
problem by reducing their orders.  Of course then the semiconductor industry 
took other orders.

As for Covid-19, where did the vaccine research and production occur?  US? 
Britain? Germany?

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