[Info-vax] [OT] USA

[Johnny Billquist]

On 2023-06-20 14:51, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-06-19, Arne Vajhøj <arne at vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 6/19/2023 1:43 PM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> That's all well and good Rob, but what happens when China grows a bit
>>> stronger and then decides to show you who the boss is by cutting off
>>> your imports ?
>>
>> Americans can no longer get cheap furniture, cheap tools and all
>> sorts of cheap junk from China.
>>
>> They will survive.
>>
> 
> They also can't get all the medical supplies and critical equipment
> now produced in China, and which would need a _serious_ amount of time
> to rebuild that infrastructure within the US.

Very little of that, I'd say.

> Are you sure about the above ?

I would definitely agree with Arne here.

>>>                                                      That's where the US
>>> currently gets most of its bullying power from.
>>
>> It doesn't really give any power.
>>
> 
> Yes, it does. The US is currently using its power to force its allies
> to also impose sanctions. In a more general way, the US imposes a threat
> of being frozen out of the US banking system to get its way.

??? Sanctions on Russia have not been forced on by the US. You might 
better blame the UK in that case, which has been leading this more. Or a 
bunch of former eastern european countries, who have various past bad 
experiences with Russia, and know all too well what it's all about.

What other contries are there sanctions against? North Korea. Seriously 
- you think that the US bullied other countries into those sanctions?
Syria? Iran?

What planet are you living on?

>>> In the old days, your military had to worry about protecting your
>>> industrial base from an enemy. These days, all your enemy needs to
>>> do is to threaten to stop sending you the goods they now produce
>>> for you.
>>
>> If the goods are critical yes.
>>
>> But China export is mostly consumer stuff.
>>
> 
> So what happened to the supply chains during Covid was an illusion ?
> (And that was with China still trying to meet its obligations!)

There has been a major issue with semiconductor supplies since Covid 
started. But as have been pointed out, these are not very China specific 
in any sense. Basically, production and transports in general have been 
hit, causing chain effects. Not much tied to China at all.

> BTW, where did the Covid-specific medical supplies come from ?

Are you talking about all the face masks that were substandard and not 
usable? Yeah, there were a whole bunch of those delivered to Sweden from 
China. I don't think not having them delivered would have made things worse.

   Johnny